Poll finds nearly a third of Labour voters may vote for another party over its 'trans pledge'

[jadefinch]

The survey, by a politics professor at Birkbeck University, looks at people who voted for left wing parties in the December general election.

It finds that about half of voters of the Greens and Lib Dems are opposed to the 'trans pledge', but the party worst hit by this is Labour with 27% of their 2019 voters saying they are considering voting for another party due to its pandering to trans activism. The vast majority also oppose the trans pledge.

Labour secured 10.2 million votes last year. This would equate to a loss of nearly 3 million voters. There's no evidence that Labour has generated any support from voters of other parties due to the trans pledge (the Tories secured 14 million votes at that election).

quillette.com/2020/02/27/how-the-trans-pledge-damaged-the-labour-party/

Thank you for linking - I shall read later.

I hope the bloody SNP is listening

No.

Shit.

Socialists for belief in material reality shocker!

Only a third?

And Labour will sniff, put its nose in the air and say it doesn't want those dirty votes anyway.

Whatever. Labour are dead in the water, they're choosing to be a pressure group, not a political party. Their choice.

Let's hope a new left party with a brain comes from the ashes and provides an alternative to endless conservative governments chosen not because they're wanted, but because they're the only sane option.

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Colour me unsurprised. Whatever your position on this, it's exactly the kind of wrangling that puts off anyone with little or no interest in politics. Plus it ignores the broad swathe of 'average' women voters. In short, the very opposite of an election-winning stance.

I think the true believers will find that survey easy to dismiss. (Small sample, reported in right wing publication, methodology involved exposure to an article they will consider transphobic.)

Very interesting though.

The leadership and deputy leadership candidates have to get through a square shaped hole to get voted in by the CLP's then through a round shaped hole to get voted in by the electorate. Hence Starmer being so vague (ish -he did sign the 'other' LGBT pledge.
It's interesting to watch, except when I remember that they should be leading an effective opposition and possibly running the country. The CLP in my area has supported Dawn Butler. Dawn Butler! Apparently she's inspirational.

This is what i've been saying for ages. They can't do it without us! Adult Human Females are 51% of the population. Patronise, deride and ignore us at your own peril.

the party worst hit by this is Labour with 27% of their 2019 voters saying they are considering voting for another party due to its pandering to trans activism. The vast majority also oppose the trans pledge.

18th October 2018 thread op:
"Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms'
by Nick Duffy
(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, he said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.”
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

Yesterday too, the Labour Party promoted Stonewall's guidance for the GRA:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397280-Labour-party-promoting-Stonewall

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

They literally said they wanted to expel any women who questioned their rabid determination to strip us of our rights, from the party. And then they're shocked and astonished that we don't vote for them?

They don't understand this whole democracy lark at all, do they.

Hope some Labour MPs are reading this, so close to giving up on them completely.

I would have thought the number should have been higher! Maybe the rest haven’t heard...

Also, Keir Starmer has retweeted an interview with Pink News which he says he supports self id and wants the GRA to go further. Not voting at all in the leadership contests and just hanging on in there for a few more months to see if anything will change.

They haemorrhaged female voters before the trans pledge idiocy. That was just giving most people who had already left the V’s as we backed out of the door. Labour need a completely clean sheet. Which isn’t going to happen because this crap is too ingrained. We need another Labour Party. With some common sense who actually want to win an election.

MaMaLa321

'The leadership and deputy leadership candidates have to get through a square shaped hole to get voted in by the CLP's then through a round shaped hole to get voted in by the electorate'

That's really well put.

That's really well put.

And it's crazy to have to pander to what is effectively self sabotage.

The position should not be possible.

And yes, I'm surprised it's not more.

And I'm sure it's only because not more people understand that supporting the T in LGBT means subjecting female prisoners to multiple rapists.

The number is only going One Way.

I'd like to know who they will vote for now. None of the parties are great on this issue.

I'd like to know who they will vote for now. None of the parties are great on this issue.

None. I can't bring myself to vote Tory. I've seen the consequences of austerity up close across several contexts. But I won't vote for any party that promotes naked misogyny, as Labour presently does.

Not voting does allow the Tories in, yes. But they're far more solid on this issue now than Labour (and will increasingly become so, when they see the electoral gains to be made - the Tories are nothing if not electorally savvy). You can support the rights of trans people to live safe and respected lives, without saying sex isn't real and no single sex provision should be allowed to stand if males want to access it on the basis of gender identity. The Tories seem to be inching towards that position, and I won't vote against them, as long as they do. Not while Labour are full of people who'd accept Harvey Weinstein himself as brave and stunning, and would staunchly insist he belonged in a women's jail if he identified as one. I'd never have believed it possible that I could be relieved Labour aren't electable, but here we are.

They hate women. I am one. I don't vote for misogynists. What woman with self respect would?

I just read a comment from someone that they had absolutely no idea what any of this was about until they were called homophobic by Mhairi Black for objecting to FlowJob being brought into a primary school. There are still massive segments of the population with very scant awareness and no understanding of this issue. Which is why it's such a low figure of 27%.

As more and more things hit the news and the general public find out exactly what 'TWAW' means, that percentage will grow.

I'd like to know who they will vote for now. None of the parties are great on this issue.

That vaucuum is potentially risky place.

There’s a reason the Tories are the longest running political party in the country.
The left always seems to eat themselves in the end.

This current Conservative government isnt as secure as previous ones.