How are we the same?

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What have transwomen got in common with women?

I can’t think of anything that we don’t have in common with other men. It seems a simple question. Can our monitors and visiting TRAs provide any answers?

On average, a preference for wearing dresses and make up?

Assume you haven't met a trans woman if you are looking to monitors and TRAs to give you an answer?

In my experience I have found common ground with some in terms of conversation topics and outlook on life that I would be unlikely to find with a man. Others I have found hard to relate to. Just like all human being really.

Of course there is also the fact both women and trans women regularly fall victim to male violence.

What have transwomen got in common with women?

Biologically - nothing.

Nothing.

Well trans women who pass would be just as likely as any natal woman to experience sexism, misogyny, sexual violence etc.

We are all part of the human race.

Transwomen have things in common with men.

Transwoman assumptions that they are treated in the same way as women - I.e. Rachel Mann on the Moral Maze - is their perception on how they wish it to be, not the reality.

Well trans women who pass would be just as likely as any natal woman to experience sexism, misogyny, sexual violence etc.

Most don’t pass and with self ID -no one will need to pass.

A transwomen - with full male tackle (the vast majority) will not have the same experience in a communal female changing room as fellow women and girls.

A liking for pretty heels and sexy dresses of course.
Oh, and the biggest problem we face is the choice of what to wear in the morning.

Nothing, nada, niente.

Well some might have blue eyes like me.

Besides that biologically nothing.

Biologically 100% shared Human DNA.

And everyone has an X-Chromasome they inherited from their mum.

In my experience I have found common ground with some in terms of conversation topics and outlook on life that I would be unlikely to find with a man.
That sounds very sexist. I have found common ground in terms of conversation topics and outlook on life with plenty of men. It is hardly a defining characteristic.

Nothing.
Discovering that one woman shares a favourite colour, lipstick, voting preference, musical genre, opinion on marmite with one person of the opposite sex is not of any life importance, and doesn't create a universal common 'woman' group which excludes all men and includes all women.

There is NO commonality between 'transwomen' and women other than three consonants and two vowels, which is why there is such vicious fighting so hard over the words for female humans. Gain the rights to the female words; dissolve the rights of the female people to use it to distinguish themselves from you.

There's literally nothing else, no substance, no commonality, nothing. Nothing shared that groups women and transwomen into a meaningful group and distinguishes that group from men.

There's humans, a group to which all of us belong.
Then there's female humans / male humans; two groups starkly different in the human race. All female humans are the opposite sex to all male humans.
Where sex is relevant, all humans are irrevocably one of the two. The same as one half, different to the other half.

There are profoundly compelling reasons for recognising the two classes. The impact of sex upon life is stark.

There is no reason whatsoever, to dissolve recognition of that gobsmackingly real and profound distinction that nature sorts us all onto one side of or the other, and to replace the sorting of all humans into two incomprehensible groups based upon what?
One female human once had a nice chat with one male human so he's now the same class as 3.8 billion other female humans? We've decided the official life classification should be people we haven't had nice chats with/people we have?
Or people that have ever worn flappy fabric around their legs vs people who wear tubular fabric encasing each leg?
Or people who've been beaten up by some humans vs...what, people who haven't?
If you dissolve the sex distinction then there is no male violence to talk of. Just indistinct human violence.

The sex distinction is real, meaningful, and has affected every human living or dead. It persists whether we pretend not to recognise it, or are honest and acknowledge it.

There is no replacement categorisation that makes any sense, and is universal. You can't replace sex with a nonsense human division.

We're all humans.
Half of us are female humans.
The other half are not.
There is no way to force yourself from one group into the other without simply dissolving the right to recognise the reality thats shouting in our faces.

Those that have transitioned are subject to all the same negatives of living in a patriarchy as women. The difference is women don't have a choice and they have done it by choice.

It's silly to pretend that sexism and male violence doesn't apply to trans women, of course it does. We absolutely have that in common.

Nothing.

Great post Barracker.

It's silly to pretend that sexism and male violence doesn't apply to trans women, of course it does.

And male violence also applies to men.

Nothing apart from the fact we are all human.

SapphosRock
Of course there is also the fact both women and trans women regularly fall victim to male violence.
Actually men fall victim to male violence even more often. You could argue men suffer from patriarchy and sexism. Transwomen suffer because they are men not because they are women.

Transwomen will, on average, have the same height/weight/strength advantage as all males have over females. So they do not share the experience of male violence in the same way; women are vulnerable to males who are larger/stronger.

For any woman who has never experienced the primal, visceral, paralysing fear of an angry, violent male - I'm so very glad for you. Please spare a thought for the very many women who have had that experience and retain that fear. Traumatic responses are very real.

Of course there is also the fact both women and trans women regularly fall victim to male violence.

But so do men.

Doesn't answer the question properly at all.

I’m thinking... I’m thinking...

I’ll get back to you if I come up with anything, drawing a blank right now.

Some women like to beautify themselves some of the time.

Transwomen are attracted to this part of womanhood.
Transwomen tend to be heavily invested in social media as a means to validate this aspect of themselves.

Assume you haven't met a trans woman if you are looking to monitors and TRAs to give you an answer?

And yet....