Weinstein guilty

[MrsBertBibby]

Guardian just had it.

Wow.

Fingers crossed this is enough to amount to a sentence that will keep him away from women for a really long time.

Although I wonder if he will now identify as female and apply for a prison transfer?

Ok, I see I was wrong about the bench trial.

Possiblenolea deal? Cop for the lesser charges and a reduced sentence?

Can you imagine what a gift it would be if Harvey Weinstein went on to identify as a woman??

Glad he's been found guilty of something, but some of the subtler nuances of the charges and verdicts make very unedifying reading to me. There cannot be a 'degree' of rape, nor can there be any question of intent or otherwise (unless the result is an acquittal). Harper Lee understood that when she wrote 'no jury in this part of the world is going to say "we think you're guilty, but not very", on a charge like that'.

Apparently not in NYC. It's a funny state.

The article makes no mention of Annabella Sciorra. My heart went out to her during that harrowing testimony and I'll be genuinely upset for her if he's been acquitted of that offence.

There cannot be a 'degree' of rape

Self-evidently, there is, for the same reason that the USA has degrees of murder.

Whether there should be is a matter of reasonable dispute.

Does anyone know whether rape in the 3rd degree normally carries a custodial sentence?

If he doesn’t serve time... I can’t begin to think how his victims will feel.

Self-evidently, there is

I'm aware of that. My point was a rhetorical one, as perhaps my post didn't make clear.

I’m just pleased he didn’t get away with it. I don’t have much faith in rape convictions

Latest report is that he could still be facing 25 years or life in prison. And Sciorra's case was statute barred, sadly, although still used as evidence for the predatory charge (on which he was acquitted).

@MarieIVanArkleStinks I read that he got off on that charge - the article said the jury did not believe her!!!!

I hope he gets a custodial sentence, here in Ireland he'd probably get a hero's welcome and a presidential award.

Hes been placed in custody and sentenced on 11th March. When will the heart attack/stroke/health crisis happen I wonder? The Zimmer frame hasnt worked so hell have to up his game a bit if he wants a soft sentence. And it will be state prison yea? Or is this a federal offence?
I reckon there will be horse trading going on as we speak.

Yes!!! So happy.

Convicted of 3 counts when there are 105 women complaining of assault is not exactly justice. But he's a sex offender, a rapist, a pervert. With the trial, they have buried they allegedly. Good riddance.

I think there are a further two trials. I was amazed when I saw the guilty verdict. He knows an awful lot about powerful people so may do an Epstein in his cell.

Convicted of 3 counts when there are 105 women complaining of assault is not exactly justice.

Yeah, reminds me of Jon Worboys, thought to have raped 100ish women but convicted of only a few. Within a few years, they were deciding he's safe and should be released.
Still, better than nothing, I suppose.

So his whole "look at me with my walker, I couldn't hurt a fly" ploy didn't work? Good.

Self-evidently, there is, for the same reason that the USA has degrees of murder.

I think there are a few good reasons to have these, only one being that the recognise different types of culpability. That may not matter from the victims perspective but it can matter from societies perspective.

More importantly though, it means you may be able to convict of a lesser charge where you can't find the evidence for the more serious one, or in cases where the jury would be hesitant to convict on a more serious charge because it seem disproportionate.

I am somewhat surprised though, mainly because of the money angle.

More charges to follow from Californ-eye-ay.

No more walkframe. Examination by a prison doctor etc.

Word is he genuinely thought he was getting off and going back to his old life. Seems it came as quite a painful shock.

But not nearly painful enough.

I had the same procedure he had and 2 days after the op they me up and walking around unaided. So he can shove his walking frame. Total cynical move and I amnnot surprised he thought it would all blow over. He has money and that usually sorts most shit out. And the times we live in are so strange. Someone like Trump, with no end of evidence against him. In his own words, evidence of others, credible solid gold witness and he gets off time and again...why shouldn't he? I hope he has quite a it of time to mull over what went wrong.

I was fucking astounded he was found guilty of anything. I mean, Swearing Out Loud astounded.

May the civil suits now follow him along with the criminal cases.

I was also surprised at the guilty verdict though I'm not convinced it went far enough. He was definitely predatory.

I'll reserve further judgement until I see how lenient the sentencing is.

Of course it would have been brilliant if he’d been convicted of all the charges but given the world we live in, I think that would have been almost too good to be true. Things haven’t moved on that much.

But they have moved on to a degree. I am punching the air at the thought of that monstrous predator finally being behind bars, and hopefully for a good few years at least.

Plus the guilty verdicts today send out a signal ahead of the LA trial. A clear signal, IMO.

Weinstein a convicted rapist. A taste of long overdue justice for women. YES!!!

Really god news that he's been convicted.

Shows predatory men it can and will catch up with you - no matter how long you get away with it. Even the most powerful man, who has got away with it for years and years, can fall.

Bloody zimmerframe. Send a pack of dogs after him. I bet he'd shift like a rat up a drainpipe.

Waiting for sentencing before I celebrate. Third degree rape...wtf.