Gender is over

[BumblingBlindly]

raisingmyrainbow.com/2020/02/20/gender-is-over/

I found this a very refreshing article. Gave me hope.

“When I was little, like five or six years old, I wanted to be a girl. I never felt like I was a girl or like I was supposed to be a girl. That means that I’m not transgender. I don’t feel like I’m in the wrong body. I feel like I’m in the right body. I’m just me.”

I don’t know how to do clicks links - sorry

raisingmyrainbow.com/2020/02/20/gender-is-over/

That was a fascinating read! Thanks.

Links work automatically except in the first post, OP (I think to deter spammers)

'Gender creative' is a nice term ad alternative to 'gender nonconforming' . Good for him - hopefully he'll be the next John McClean.

Good for him. This is how it should be.

Through meetings and email campaigns, I got my school district to stop sex/gender segregation in elementary school PE classes

Uhhh ok, but, hang on, sex segregation in sports is actually there for a reason. Some might argue pre-pubescents don't have the same sex-based imbalances in sport, but they can kick in around elementary age. Some boys can start puberty aged 9-10. The point is, girls should learn to complete with girls and boys with boys, because that's what will happen if they pursue competitive sports beyond puberty.

Also, this red haired person is photogenic for now, and their parents are quite obviously indulgent towards them, and promoting it all, but a 13 year old shouldn't be a child model mouthpiece for LGBTQETC in my opinion.
Let them be a child!
I take intuitive issue with child models, but moreso when the child is expected to make political statements.

A shame he can't say "my sex is male and my gender is female" but has to do all the pigging about with gender/gender identity to make that point. Otherwise, good for him -- and a quick hiss of disapproval to the person in the comments who called him "she". Can't they read?

"my gender expression is female"

What?

It's great that he's happy being a GNC boy, but why does he have to have this label as well? Just because he likes things that society says are just for girls.

Once again I'm left wondering how this movement can be described as progressive when it revolves around sexist stereotypes like this.

[adds 'progressive' to list of words that can one can use to mean anything]

There's no such thing as 'female gender expression'. Female people express themselves in a billion different ways. 'Feminine gender expression' would be fine.

Feminine and masculine = genders.

Female and male = sexes.

Yes, sorry; my post ought to have said "my sex is male and my gender is feminine". D'oh.

My gender identity is male and my gender expression is female

The more I think about this, the less I find it "refreshing" or providing any "hope"

Female isn't an "expression".
It isn't
Long hair.
Lip balm.
Liking "Queer Eye"
Wanting to be a makeup artist
Dewy-eyed photoshoots.
Wearing eyeshadow as a child.

You can't "express" being female in any meaningful way unless you actually are female, y'know, as in, having your period, taking a pregnancy test, going for your smear, I don't know, millions of things specific to being female that aren't simply a fashion statement.

Sorry. Not impressed.

This kid is gender non conforming, indulging in sexist stereotypes of "female" and gaining a lot of attention on that basis.

Once male puberty kicks in, I very much hope this kid works out that men can actually wear makeup and wear blouses too, y'know like how they did in the 80's.

I found this article a little disturbing, actually.

For one thing I am not really keen on encouraging kids to think of themselves as members of the LGBTQ+ community before they have really even had a chance to experience what it means to be sexual (and I don't mean having sex.)

I also wonder about this business of not one bit of oneself being inclined to a masculine expression, and so much focus on being what you might call girly. Some kids to go through phases where they are more focused on being masculine or feminine, but that's the thing, these are typically phases. It isn't somehow "who you are". Most people, even really manly men and feminine women, are actually a little more mixed and don't centre that stuff in terms of their identity.

It's a sign of immaturity really to think of oneself in those terms.

For a long time it was assumed in a casual sort of way that girls at boarding schools were likely to have an adolescent crush on one of the mistresses. It was also assumed that they were likely to grow out of it.

Maybe the answer to a lot of this is simply to stop taking everything said by every child as seriously as we would take a decision made by an adult? As a society, and as individuals, I think we are being altogether too inclined to take as fact things which are just experimental button-pushing.

Oh for crying out loud

For one thing I am not really keen on encouraging kids to think of themselves as members of the LGBTQ+ community before they have really even had a chance to experience what it means to be sexual (and I don't mean having sex.)

I agree with this. Giving kids loads of info about sexuality before they’ve ever felt sexual impulses is just confusing them. No wonder so many are calling themselves pan sexual or bisexual or asexual, they haven’t had a chance to feel genuine sexual attraction to anyone yet, therefore they assume they attracting to everyone equally or no one at all.

This kid seems just as confused about stereotypes as the ones who do want to change their bodies, sadly.

No wonder so many are calling themselves pan sexual or bisexual or asexual, they haven’t had a chance to feel genuine sexual attraction to anyone yet, therefore they assume they attracting to everyone equally or no one at all.

Yes, exactly.

I've even known older teens who certainly are very interested in sex and thinking about it a lot, to change their sense of who they are attracted to and what that means.

It's one thing when you are just figuring out your own experience, there is no push to be quick or make some sort of abstract commitment, but it's quite another when you are now forming your sense of self around membership in a particular group, or the application of a particular label. I just don't see how that is very helpful during such a time of change and development.

You’re right re kids thinking of themselves as part of the LGBQT+ ‘Community’ - apart from misgivings you’ve mentioned it’s got a flavour of forced teaming.

I don’t think it’s entirely fair to criticise a kid for their choice of language when they use the terminology that they’re familiar with. It’s still a good thing that he’s likely to grow up physically undamaged and is at least a healthier example for a ‘feminine’ boy than a transitioner.

We could have avoided a massive amount of crap if we had as a nation just been less coy about saying 'sex'.

Gender ideology has actually been allowed to flourish by the very existence of the totally unnecessary word 'gender'.

If we scrapped it and replaced it with the phrase 'sex stereotype' every time, things would be instantly clearer.

Gender sex stereotype reassignment surgery
Gender Sex Stereotype Recognition Act
Gender sex stereotype identity

If pronounds are rohypnol, the actual word gender is doing similar damaging work at the moment.

I am never using the word gender again unless it pertains to German grammar or something.

Yes, I wouldn't blame the kid, at all. It does sound to me like he's been given a very definite narrative though, I don't know that his language really sounds like something most kids that age would say on their own.

If we scrapped it and replaced it with the phrase 'sex stereotype' every time, things would be instantly clearer.

I don't think that we could really use "sex stereotype" to refer to all the ways sexual dimorphism affects cultural arrangements or the arts.

Anyone who has sat through a Mermaids/Allsorts/GIRES or similar presentation has been spoon fed that kind of language.

I don’t know what it’s like in other countries but here it’s standard BBC kids fare.

It’s grooming, essentially, it’s just coming from orgs instead of individuals.

Yup, and that is what bothers me about it.

TBH though, I don't see it just in this issue, there is a lot of grooming around social issues I see in our school system. Some of them I might agree with, but that's not what is going on with the kids, they are being told what to think without realising that is what is going on. Environmental issues as an example, I think they are the most important issues we have to face, but I cringe when I hear kids spouting things I know they are just repeating with no real understanding.

Yes, I see that too. Along with the common theme
of trotting out child activists, knowing that journalists politicians are less likely to engage in robust debate with a minor, especially a vulnerable minor.

Children are being used as human shields for adult political interests. This is bad regardless whose ‘side’ is doing it, especially as children tend to be very empathetic and are often highly motivated to please the adults around them.

Spiked have been very entertaining on this topic

www.spiked-online.com/2019/04/22/the-cult-of-greta-thunberg/

Like, yes, we need to pay serious attention to climate change, but no, we shouldn’t do that by telling small children that the world will end in their lifetime.
And same with yes, we need to ensure that gender non conforming and same sex attracted people are safe to live their lives without fear of violence or discrimination, but no, we shouldn’t do that by introducing adult ideas about sexuality and identity to children before they’ve had a chance to develop a sense of self and have experienced enough of the world to have a context in which to place them.

Like, yes, we need to pay serious attention to climate change, but no, we shouldn’t do that by telling small children that the world will end in their lifetime.
And same with yes, we need to ensure that gender non conforming and same sex attracted people are safe to live their lives without fear of violence or discrimination, but no, we shouldn’t do that by introducing adult ideas about sexuality and identity to children before they’ve had a chance to develop a sense of self and have experienced enough of the world to have a context in which to place them.

Hear, hear.

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