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James Morton scottish trans alliance quote

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boomshakalika · 22/02/2020 11:02

I recently read a quote on a thread from James Morton of the Scottish Trans Alliance where they talked about linking with women's organisations in order to pave the way to influence national policy. I can't find it again.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

OP posts:
R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 01:00

July 2019 Transgender Trend
'What does Scotland’s U-Turn on Transgender Schools Guidance Mean for England and Wales?'
(extract)
The Scottish government has taken the welcome step of having a rethink on many areas concerning changes to the GRA. The LGBT Youth transgender schools guidance has now been withdrawn in Scotland due to concerns about girls being excluded from their own toilets and changing-rooms. The Scottish government will produce their own guidance following consultation and a full Equalities Impact Assessment. Scotland is leading the way on action which must now also be taken by Westminster on the schools guidance used throughout England and Wales." (continues)
www.transgendertrend.com/scotland-u-turn-transgender-schools-guidance-england-and-wales/

analysis:
www.transgendertrend.com/scottish-transgender-schools-guidance-controversy-nothing-new/

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 01:06

Schools, prisons... For someone who keeps their educational and professional qualifications under wraps, JM manages to get policies and guidance that JM has worked on accepted by all sorts of institutions without any questions asked.

There is (apparently) a review of the sex self-id policies in Scottish prisons.
The schools policies were withdrawn.
One wonders at what point questions will be asked about the due dilligence which was done in sub-contracting this work out.

Scottish Trans Alliance is a very small organisation with charitable status.
'Scottish Trans Alliance currently has two full-time members of staff: James Morton and Vic Valentine, and a number of diverse part-time and sessional workers and volunteers who assist us in our work. We are part of the Equality Network:'
www.scottishtrans.org/about-us/our-aims/

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/02/2020 07:10

" part of the homeless scene"

Is that what abject poverty is nowadays? A SCENE?

I see this a lot in the trans community, whom I work with in a small capacity. Only trans people are allowed to speak on trans issues. If I say anything which is critical thinking then I am problematic and need to educate myself. Which I did. And now I am even more worried.

James is a professional trans person.

I'm not sure that is healthy - in the same way that some women get involved in the NCT and are still there when their own babies are 24 years old - sometimes a life event or illness or condition is the most interesting thing which has ever happened to you. And you make it your life. And, I'm just not sure that is a sensible thing for any person.

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/02/2020 08:04

Only trans people are allowed to speak on trans issues.

It's a classic case of identity politics. There is a mindless reverence these days of 'lived experience' above all else, including rigorous scientific analysis. Hence only trans people can speak on trans issues, only black people can speak on issues like racism, only 'people with autism' can speak about autism etc. You don't need any professional qualifications or a background of rigorous competence in your field of expertise to be able to contribute to the topic. Your 'lived experience' is all that matters.
Anyone else who has questions or concerns is exerting their 'disgusting privilege'.

Of course people's experiences should help inform public policy. It is important that experts and professionals work with various groups and all concerned parties when undertaking the research needed to generate guidelines that will be implemented. There should be a healthy balance and co-operation between the people who create public policies and the people who will be affected by the implementation of such policies. However, there should always be a spirit of critical thinking and analysis and also a willingness to examine how policies might have unintended effects on other groups, especially other vulnerable people.

Equality Impact Assessments were meant to be a tool to help in this task of conflicting rights and needs, and yet we've seen time and again that EQIAs are not being carried out or are done in a shoddy manner that completely defeats the purpose of it.

Policies and guidelines have been outsourced wholesale to these identity groups of 'lived experience' which results in certain activists and those with a personal and political agenda being able to push their amateur opinions and have undue influence in shaping institutions like schools and prisons.

It's why someone like JM, who as far as I can see has zero educational and professional qualifications in law or criminology or sociology, can generate guidelines for prisons that are all about trans prisoners and their feelings, and doesn't address the issues of female prisoners being affected by the implementation of such guidelines.
It's why groups like Mermaids push their amateur ideas in schools and are able to influence NHS services. (The CEO is / was an IT consultant I think?! And has a transgender child.... Is that the extent of her qualifications?)

These are the consequences of allowing identity politics to shape our decision making.

Igneococcus · 23/02/2020 08:05

James Morton claims that there has been plenty of robust public debate in Scotland in this Times article today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e91df7e8-55b8-11ea-9f52-925d1cf654c9?shareToken=6c54e92296047ce1b36364f1e3e55511

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 08:44

From the Sunday Times article above,
"James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said it was “disingenuous” for the church to say that reform was being rushed. He said: “There has been ongoing robust public debate about this reform since 2017. Over 15,500 people took part in the first Scottish government consultation in 2018, and the bill is now going through a second additional consultation period above and beyond what most legislation is subject to.”

“The SPS does careful risk assessments and refuses to allow trans prisoners to move to the female estate if they pose a risk of predatory behaviour,” said Morton.

“Even when a trans woman is assessed as safe to be in the female estate, women prisoners do not share actual cells or shower with trans women. They only interact with any trans women in the closely supervised recreation and work areas where there are also male prison officers, visitors and tradesmen present.”

Rhona Hotchiss
interview:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p082x063

Talk from the recent For Women Scotland meeting in Edinburgh:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpfTBEXqGQM

Morton is the one who is disingenous.

February 2018 OP postermiri1985 wrote,
"Transgender prisoner living as woman wins jail's Miss Fitness competition by 'country mile'
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/outrage-transgender-prisoner-living-woman-12022675

"A source said: “The rest of them shouldn’t have bothered even entering."
“It was surreal. Everybody knew it wasn’t very fair, but nobody was allowed to say it."
“The women inmates have had to accept that Stewart is being allowed to live as a woman, despite not having had surgery."
“That means she is in the showers at the same time as other inmates, which some have found quite awkward."

These women have so little, its so sad that their privacy and fair play have been stripped from them too"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3169178-Transgender-prisoner-living-as-woman-wins-jails-Miss-Fitness-competition-by-country-mile

May 2018 OP TerfinUSA posted:
"Transgender killers split up by prison chiefs"

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-killers-kept-apart-after-12493525

Yes it's Sophie formerly Daniel Eastwood who terrified a female guard into quitting her job www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/female-prison-guard-quits-after-9379668

(NB Eastwood, referred to here as Hannibal (Hannah-belle, shurely: ed) Lecter Jr is not to be confused with Tiffany Scott formerly Andrew Burns www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/15507716.Shirtless_prisoner_hurls_abuse_at_sheriff_as_she_is_jailed/)

Sophie's charming campaign of terror earned her a move from Shotts prison to the female wing at Greenock Prison, where she met her soul mate Alex Stewart (formerly murderer Alan Baker) the recently crowned 'Miss Fitness' www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3169178-Transgender-prisoner-living-as-woman-wins-jails-Miss-Fitness-competition-by-country-mile

Alex's tireless advocacy for transgender rights brought these two together www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237471-Transgender-prisoners-in-Scotland-progress-report

"Despite their new female identities neither have had surgery, and fellow inmates complained that they felt intimidated around the pair because of their behaviour."

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3242178-Transgender-killers-split-up-by-prison-chiefs

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3242264-Transgender-murders-in-Scottish-womens-prison

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237471-Transgender-prisoners-in-Scotland-progress-report

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337063-RESOURCE-THREAD-Transwomen-in-Women-s-Prisons

June 30th 2019 Sunday Times
'Feminists celebrate U‑turn on self‑identification in Scotland as women’s prisons review trans policy
Women’s rights activists hope the victory will trigger a rethink in England and Wales'
(extract)
"The Sunday Times has learnt that Scotland’s prison service, which already has a de facto self-identification policy, is to review it after a whistleblower said the tiny number of trans prisoners in Scotland’s female jails had been responsible for a “quite horrific” number of incidents towards women inmates, including threats of rape."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminists-celebrate-u-turn-on-self-identification-in-scotland-as-women-s-prisons-review-trans-policy-gr3vtzwj9

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 08:48

Rhona Hodgekiss former prison governor of Cornton Vale, says that in her experience it is "always an issue to have trans women in with female prisoners”.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-51452489/ex-prison-chief-expresses-concern-about-trans-women-in-female-jails

"My experience is, that it is always an issue to have trans women in with female prisoners, I think you have to think beyond the obvious things like physical or sexual threat, which are sometimes an issue, to the very fact of the presence of a male bodied person in amongst vulnerable women causes them distress and consternation."

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3823351-Ex-prison-chief-expresses-concern-about-trans-women-in-female-jails

littlbrowndog · 23/02/2020 09:00

From forewomen.scot

The hoped-for consensus seems more likely to be around the government being right.” Spot on from @LucyHunterB

Whatever prison policy Morton is describing, it is not the one in Scottish prisons (& is unworkable in practice). Time to deal in reality.

OldCrone · 23/02/2020 09:07

“Even when a trans woman is assessed as safe to be in the female estate, women prisoners do not share actual cells or shower with trans women. They only interact with any trans women in the closely supervised recreation and work areas where there are also male prison officers, visitors and tradesmen present.”

If this is the case, why move them to the women's estate at all? Why can't they be kept safely in a male prison in the same way as transmen remain in women's prisons? It's acknowledged that transmen wouldn't be safe in a male prison, but the same arguments would show that it's not safe for the female prisoners to put a transwoman in their prisons.

It's clear that in the decisions made about where to place transgender people, their interests and preferences are being prioritised over those of the female prisoners. Which is less surprising when you know that the policies were written by a transactivist.

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 09:27

Morton is myopic with regards prison policies. Morton's focus has been solely on the person who identifies as trans. There has been no consideration of the impact on vulnerable female prisoners or female prison staff whilst his comment with regards the 'strategic' value of securing sex-self-id policies in prisons begs much bigger questions.

16th January 2020 Telegraph
Female prisoners share shower facilities with trans offenders who are still 'anatomically male', MSP says'
(extract)
Female prisoners are made to shower with transgender women offenders who are still “anatomically male” in at least one Scottish prison, an MSP has said.

Kenneth Gibson, the SNP politician for Cunninghame North, made the revelation to Scottish Parliament today after calling for a ban on transgender offenders who are physically male being admitted to female prisons.

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice Humza Yousaf said he was “surprised” at the news and that he would look into the matter"(continues)
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/16/female-prisoners-share-shower-facilities-trans-offenders-still/

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 09:42

The 2014 Scottish Prison Service policy paper:
'Gender Identity and Gender Reassignment Policy for those in our Custody' co-written by Scottish Trans Alliance / James Morton is available online.

forward by Colin McConnell Chief Executive

(extract)
"I am delighted to present this policy in support of our commitment to increase engagement with our employees and people in custody to improve the working and living environment by ensuring it is free of any transphobic and homophobic behaviour, bullying, harassment, victimisation and discrimination.
This policy has been developed to help aid your understanding of what Gender Identity and Gender Reassignment equality mean to the Scottish Prison Service (SPS) and provides guidance on how you as a staff member can help ensure that that no staff member (or prospective staff member), person in custody or key stakeholder receives less favourable treatment or is disadvantaged by any circumstances, conditions or requirements that cannot be justified.

The 2010 Equality Act defines gender reassignment as a protected characteristic and protects them from unlawful discrimination on this basis. People who are proposing to undergo, are undergoing or have undergone a process (or part of a process) to reassign their sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

This policy, one of the most comprehensive of its type and represents the culmination of years of dedicated partnership work by a diverse group of criminal justice sector and equality sector organisations." (continues)

Every staff member and person in custody is entitled to an environment which promotes dignity and respect. A working environment that is welcoming and accepting will enable all staff to be themselves at work. No form of intimidation, bullying or harassment nor any insulting, abusive or derogatory language or actions towards any person will be tolerated.

I would like to see all of us working together to create a culture where we all embrace and live the values of our organisation. Treating each other with dignity and respect is something to we will always aspire and in which we can take pride."

** McConnell & Morton were not affording the rights of dignity & respect to vulnerable female prisoners & female prison staff

littlbrowndog · 23/02/2020 12:42

Yousaf doesn’t see a problem with a person identifying as any gender they want when they are charged with a crime
So crime statistics and also prison statistics can’t be recorded correctly

How does this work in planning anything

Scottish government seems to be completely bonkers and allow lobbyists to say what government policies will be

AnyOldSpartabix · 23/02/2020 13:09

Of course people's experiences should help inform public policy. It is important that experts and professionals work with various groups and all concerned parties when undertaking the research needed to generate guidelines that will be implemented. There should be a healthy balance

There’s another aspect to this phenomenon. It’s not simply the reverence for lived experience. You only have to look at WPATH to see that many of the experts and professionals influencing policy are also trans. There can be no balance between independent experts and professionals and trans patients if both of those groups are trans.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 23/02/2020 13:39

Good spot on the internal contradiction in James's argument. If TWAW, why is James comparing them to males?
@Penny00907333
Replying to
@ForwomenScot
and
@LucyHunterB
Funny how James Morton had to mention " male prison officers, workers and tradesmen" to justify the fact that transwomen to also be present in women's prisons. I thought transwomen were women, and pose no greeter risk than any other women.

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/02/2020 13:46

You only have to look at WPATH to see that many of the experts and professionals influencing policy are also trans. There can be no balance between independent experts and professionals and trans patients if both of those groups are trans.

You're right. There is a serious conflict of interest in having groups comprised of trans people positing themselves as the experts and authority on anything and everything to do with trans. There will almost always be a bias and ideological blindness because they will be pushing for policies that suit them without any thought for how it might affect other trans people or those who aren't trans.

Clymene · 23/02/2020 17:50

So someone with no professional or academic qualifications whatsoever is writing policy. The special trans wand of sparkliness really seems to work in people's favour quite a lot of the time, doesn't it? I can't imagine any non-trans identifying person being given such power.

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 18:18

James Morton's academic & professional qualifications are unknown.

What is very clear though is that Morton does not understand Safeguarding or risk management.

PlayYouLikeAShark · 23/02/2020 19:18

I think that's a generous understatement. I'd wager it's not mere 'accidental ignorance' of safeguarding or risk assessment but a very wide ranging comprehensive knowledge of both that allows a very wilful ignorance of safeguarding when it comes to a specific target of women & girls rights & legal protections. And consider the targeting of specific single sex exceptions for removal. You don't just randomly pick out the bits of the EA2010 that you don't like the sound of. JM knows exactly which rights to attack, and how to waffle around safeguarding & risk assessment to the point of erasing the bloody obvious male violence risks when it comes to male people who claim gender identity. That takes real commitment & skill. Nothing JM does is in any way 'accidental'.

The school guide JM helped write - where is the mea culpa over the mahoosive 'oversight' of girls rights under the UNCRC? I've not seen it anywhere.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/02/2020 19:30

Scottish Trans Alliance is just a bit of Equality Network rebadged.

www.equality-network.org/our-work/

R0wantrees · 23/02/2020 19:37

James Morton refers often to 'rigorous risk assessments' which should protect women & girls in single sex spaces made inclusive to males.
James Morton (just as is true for so many trans rights activists & MPs) doesnt understand these, Karen Ingala Smith does.

As wellbehavedwomen has just posted on a current thread Sun 23-Feb-20 17:46:30:

The problem is, people will nod and smile and agree that it's a concern, and then we'll get stuff like Jess "Back Office" Phillips's recent insisting, from her enormous and simply spiffing experience "running" (working as a business development manager for) a Women's Aid, that risk assessing is really easy and totally reliable and "years of experience" mean that staff can consult their infallible crystal balls in knowing how dangerous someone is. Just like the Parole Board did when planning to release John Warboys, for example, or the prison service when shoving the predatory paedophile and rapist male "Karen" White in with women.

Karen Ingala Smith says the safeguarding assessments argument is the most mendacious bullshit, but hey. Ignore women in favour of convenient hand-waving, right?

And her expertise and authority on this subject is why Mumsnet have her Femicide Census as a pinned post, right now. She's a huge figure in the women's aid movement. Why are people listening to lobby groups, instead of a senior service provider in the sector concerned?!

I'm quoting her at length - sorry for that, but I think her words are so important I really think they should be shared as often and as widely as possible. And people often don't read links.
kareningalasmith.com/2020/01/20/the-importance-of-women-only-spaces-and-services-for-women-and-girls-whove-been-subjected-to-mens-violence/

Some say that ‘we’ – those of us working is specialist women’s services – can use risk assessments to assess whether a male who says he is trans poses a risk to women. Let’s look at this in relation to women’s refuges:

When a risk assessment is completed with a woman looking to move in to a refuge, time is usually critical. You need to help her to get to a place of safety and quickly. She’s either already left her home or is planning to do so urgently because she is in danger. Maybe she’s called and needs to get out whilst her partner is due to be out of the house for a few hours. You’re also looking at whether the location of the refuge offers safety and can meet the woman’s needs and those of her children if she has them, and whether she herself might pose a risk to others living in the refuge. With risk assessment, you’re assessing the risk she is facing from her partner and planning how you can help her to reduce the often intensified risks associated with actually leaving an abusive man. The Femicide Census, a project I co-founded, told us that a third of women who are killed by a partner/ex-partner, are killed after they have left him. Of these about a third are killed within the first month and two-thirds within the first year. Leaving an abusive man is dangerous and difficult. Risk assessment with safety planning can help save lives. Risk assessment is not about assessing whether or not a woman is, in reality, a violent male.

If you expect refuges to accommodate males who identify as trans, you’re asking staff in already under-resourced women’s refuges (Scottish Women’s Aid report that cuts to Scottish refuges have increased from 14% to 41% between 2009 and 2016. Their annual survey reported that 30% of survivors who sought refuge in Scotland had to be turned away), you’re asking staff in already under-resourced women’s refuges, to differentiate between:

Transgender people born male who have genuinely experienced men’s violence and have managed to unpick their male socialisation and who will not use their sense of male entitlement or sexism or misogyny to harm, reduce and control women in the refuge and those transgender people born male who have genuinely experienced violence but are still dripping in male privilege and advantage and who hate or resent women; and those transgender people born male who are narcissistic perpetrators who have managed to convince themselves (and others) that they are victims , and those transgender people born male who are seeking validation, which some, if they were self-aware and able to be honest, would recognise as a need that can never be satisfied, and who might prioritise their validation above the needs of women, and those transgender people born male who are autogynophiles (that’s a male who is sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female) or other fetishists, and, finally other men who are pretending to be trans in order to track down a particular woman or predatory men trying to access women in general. And we do know that violent and abusive men lie and manipulate. Violent and abusive men stand up in court, swear to tell the truth and lie and manipulate. No one’s yet explained to me how risk assessment is supposed to screen out most of those men – let alone convinced me of the wisdom of trying to make a bedroom for a fox in a henhouse. Risk assessment is about identifying risks posed by violent men and mitigating against them, not chucking in a few extra because you can.

But …. let’s set that small matter aside. Let’s imagine for a moment that you could, as some claim, risk assess trans-identified males for their suitability and safety to inhabit your space or attend your service, which of course is now no-longer women-only. What you’re ignoring if you do this is the impact of men’s presence on women who’ve been subjected to men’s violence.

It’s not unusual for women who’ve been subjected to men’s violence to develop a trauma response. These sometimes develop after a single incident of violence, especially with sexual violence, but also sometimes after years or months of living in fear, walking on egg-shells, recognising that tone of voice, that look in the eyes, that sigh, that pause, that silence, that change in his breathing. Some women have lived this, with a succession of perpetrators starting from their dad, all their lives.

A trauma informed approach is based on understanding the physical, social, and emotional impact of trauma caused by experiencing sexual and domestic violence and abuse. A trauma-informed service understands the importance of creating an environment – physical and relational – that feels safe to victims-survivors in all the ways I’ve just mentioned. A trauma-informed safe space creates space for action and recovery from violence and abuse and places the woman victim-survivor in control and in the centre. For many women this absolutely means excluding men from that space, including those who don’t identify as men.

Women are gas-lighted (manipulated to question their own judgement or even sanity) by their abusive male partners all the time. It is a cornerstone of coercive control. As a service provider you are in a position of power, no matter how you try to balance this out, and of course we do as much as possible to balance this out, but ultimately it is inescapable. You are not offering a trauma informed environment if you, in your position of power, gaslight traumatised women and pretend that someone that you both really know is a man, is actually a woman. It is furthering the abuse to then expect women to share what you say is women-only space with males who say that they are women, because you and they know are not. Part of your role is to help women to learn to trust themselves again, not replace the batshit that their abuser has filled their head with, with a new version. All this is on top of what I looked at earlier, that statistically women are safer in women only environments – because men commit violence at significantly higher rates.

It isn’t just women experiencing serious and debilitating trauma who benefit from women-only spaces and services. Women tell us that they want and value women-only space for safety, empathy, trust, comfort, a focus on women’s needs, the expertise of female staff often themselves survivors. They tell us they feel more confident and find them less intimidating. Women-only spaces offer not only a space away from the specific man that women are escaping or who has violated them but away from men in general; away from men’s control and demands for attention; away from men taking physical and mental space; away from the male gaze and men’s constant appraisal of women; away from men’s expectations to be cared for and, just as importantly, a space where women share in common experiences of abuse despite how these differ and despite all the other differences between us. A space with others who understand, to whom you don’t have to explain why you didn’t leave earlier and who know how easy it is to feel guilty or stupid because you didn’t.

We know that at least 80% of males who hold a gender recognition certificate retain their penis, but anyway, we don’t need to know what’s in their pants to know they are a man. Women experiencing trauma after violence and abuse will, like most of us – almost always instantly read someone who might be the most kind and gentle trans identified male in the world – as male; and they may experience debilitating terror immediately and involuntarily, they will modify their behaviour, their actions and expectations in countless ways, many that they are not consciously aware off. They need and deserve a break, don’t they?

Since I’ve spoken out to defend women-only services, I’ve lost count of the number of victim-survivors of men’s violence who have told me how important a women only service was to them. They’re often upset and emotional when they start to talk about this.

That any woman working in, but most of all those in leadership positions which are connected to women’s welfare, are prepared to sit on the fence about the importance of women-only spaces for victim survivors of men’s violence, and whether men can magically become women, makes me want to both rage – and weep. You cannot opt of this. You cannot sit back. You cannot, especially if you are happy to accept the salary and other perks of a leadership position claim to ‘have an opinion on this’ but in the next breath say it ‘isn’t safe for me to speak out’. None of women’s political gains were achieved by well-paid women who played safe and put themselves first rather than women as a class. How dare any woman take a leadership position and leave it to others, many of them victim-survivors, to do this? How dare they claim to care about women’s safety and look away, pretending that there is nothing to see here? Please don’t look away.

This not about hate. It’s not about bigotry. It is not anti-trans. It’s about women and children who have been subjected to men’s violence. Can we please just sometimes – sometime like now – put them first?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3830539-Liz-Truss-in-Daily-Mail-legitimate-concerns-predators-may-abuse-self-ID?watched=1&msgid=94173542#94173542

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 24/02/2020 03:27

No other patient group gets to dictate their treatment, options and demand enhanced rights.

Why is the current GRA process "humiliating"? If I apply for a mortgage I have to prove I have means. If I apply for PIP I have to prove I have needs. If I apply for a divorce I have to prove I have grounds.

Not this though, this group are to be accepted. At any cost.

It's fucking bizarre.

Aesopfable · 24/02/2020 08:06

Policies and guidelines have been outsourced wholesale to these identity groups of 'lived experience' which results in certain activists and those with a personal and political agenda being able to push their amateur opinions and have undue influence in shaping institutions like schools and prisons

Absolutely, I know another area where the Scottish government has outsourced writing a national guidance document to three people without a relevant qualification between them - just ‘lived experience’ and very much pushing their amateur ideas.

Clymene · 24/02/2020 08:13

Thanks for quoting that R0wantrees. Really powerful and well argued.

Igneococcus · 24/02/2020 08:50

There is a an article in the Times today about threats to GC SNP activists. I put it here rather than starting a new thread:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5f997ae-5687-11ea-8d8f-51ad578bbcfe?shareToken=57afcbe0624744d8691bc7088e91d799

R0wantrees · 24/02/2020 08:56

Clymene Yes it is very powerful & thats because its informed by a deep professional evidence-based understanding of women's services & experience.

cf James Morton:
“I feel a great deal of responsibility, personally, for trying to help navigate through all the contentiousness and we’ve always tried really hard to find pragmatic ways of making policies and practice work that make a service good for all service users. We haven’t been not caring about the impact on others and, for instance, the work we do with prisons is really difficult work, but we do it because we believe in good quality risk assessment and want everybody to be safe and we don’t want anything to go wrong."
www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,making-the-change-exclusive-interview-with-scottish-trans-alliance-manager-_14834.htm

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