Tell Labour why they lost

[Throckmorton]

What it says on the tin - a survey here to tell Labour what they're doing wrong:

labourlist.org/2020/02/how-you-can-be-a-part-of-labour-togethers-election-review/

Fucking hell that felt good.

I suggested putting some fucking grownups in charge. And that I did not refer to birth date by saying so.

Also agreed that the scale of problems Labour have are such that it's rearranging deckchairs to ask about policy. Their issues lie so, so much deeper. They despise their traditional core supporters. Do they imagine those supporters are unaware?

I gave my 'gender' as Other: Gender-free. Was tempted to add "My sex is female" but decided not to. Had been careful not to say "we" anywhere, but always "women".

Thank you all for doing this. I finally got the guts up to discuss this issue on Facebook under my real name yesterday and was immediately met with shouts of transphobe and calls to "calm down". I don't know how other people have the bravery to keep on facing that - my heart and my respect goes out to them.

Done, probably futile as suspect the menz will throw away replies they don't like

Done

I took them at their word and didn't hold back. That feels good 😊

That was fun.

Thanks, Throckmorton

All my replies were rants. I didn't realise I was so angry until I started filling it in.

I haven't finished yet. Fatigue and medical conditions dictate how much I can do in one sitting. Correcting mistakes in MN posts as I go along is exhausting!

Urgh. I was contacted on the phone a couple of times when I left the LP, asking why. The last time, the man at the other end of the line sounded genuinely apologetic, and even said (on the subject of AWS) "...while I can't see that changing anytime soon, I am really sorry!" I took that as a little nudge of solidarity.
Will attend to your link, OP.

I've done this.

As I was typing I was just imagining my responses being thrown on the "transphobe" or even "boomer" pile. (I'm not a boomer, but that seems to be what they like to call us now).

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make Labour think.

Dear Labour, it doesn’t matter how you communicate a message if you’ve no idea what that message is. Get some principles that you believe in. Integrity. Intelligence. Wanting to win to say you’ve won isn’t helping anyone.

what one thing could we change to make us electable

Well one thing I can tell you that you CAN’T change, is your sex, you misogynistic muppets. You’re not woke, you’re bloody sleepwalking.

Yes phonic I said as much. Also about actually opposing if you are an opposition party. And the gender question was the final straw!

Bumping this.

I said we had to listen to people - all people, not just those we like or agree with - and stop telling people what they should think and what we think they want or need.

Gender I gave other and wrote “I do not subscribe to gender - my sex is female”

I enjoyed that. Thanks.

Oh, i told'em. I told'em good.

I kept it fairly short so as not to get too worked up.

Women's rights are human rights.

Listen to the many not the few.

Pointed out that dismissing people's concerns as bigoted isn't the best way to get them to vote for you

Cathartic thank you. I just used this copy and past from above

Women's rights are human rights.

Listen to the many not the few.

Dismissing people's concerns as bigoted isn't the best way to get them to vote for you

Well, I enjoyed doing that. My response included the sentence: "I have rarely been more angry in my life."

Thank you Throckmorton for the reminder. Have ranted away and feel so much better now I`m off for and and possible some

Thank you for sharing the link. My blood pressure went up. Like a PP I hadn’t realised how angry I was/am about the way a Party supposed to represent ordinary people has been hijacked by idiots and extremists telling women about what it means to be female.

Filled it in now. Said they have to stop listening to Momentum and realise that the increased party membership is tiny compared to the electorate. They cannot just try to appease the Woke Bros if they want to win elections.

I am a socialist and don’t think they should go back to Blair’s policies as one PP suggested but the one thing I can say about Blair is he himself had charisma. Put someone in charge who knows how to talk to the press and understands how the media works but focuses on proper left wing policies. Focus on inequalities of wealth not identity politics. I have been listening to and reading a lot by Andrew Doyle (the person behind Titania McGrath) recently and he talks about how identity politics is essentially a very bourgeois idea. I always felt New Labour was appealing to middle class voters and was leaving working class voters without a party. I always voted Labour as it was the closest thing to my views but never felt it really represented my views completely.m so I was really optimistic when Jeremy Corbyn first became leader and gave him the benefit of the doubt on many occasions as I felt he got horrendous treatment by the tabloids. But as time went on and he continually failed to decisively say where he stood on so many issues, as well as never properly tackling the antisemitism problem, I found it harder and harder to have any faith in him. I really don’t want them to ditch their socialist policies which I have seen some suggest, but they should really take a look at themselves and decide who their core voters are and what they want (clue: it’s not the removal of women’s rights).