Tell Labour why they lost

[Throckmorton]

What it says on the tin - a survey here to tell Labour what they're doing wrong:

labourlist.org/2020/02/how-you-can-be-a-part-of-labour-togethers-election-review/

[Throckmorton]

Here you go :)

twitter.com/BenMSmith4/status/1230571607896272897?s=19

[Cwenthryth]

Can’t find the tweet now to share, but yesterday I saw something posted by a young dudebro saying (paraphrasing) “just spent the evening doing phone canvassing for the leadership election, and wow there are a lot of T**Fs in the party”. The replies were almost 100% GC.

Just thought I’d share - we are not alone.

[ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans]

My anger really came out when I did the survey. I feel so let down by the party.

My key message was to reflect the labour electorate rather than preach to them.

The problem is that the general population's views are unpalatable to the party. They would rather be woke than win.

But whilst the labour party keep their purist views there are so many people living in unsuitable housing, there are schools without enough money and massive waiting lists for NHS and county council services.

Labour was trounced so thoroughly they can not be an effective opposition and people will continue to suffer.

And what do the party do? Get captured immediately by a woke debate which turns off more voters. They are a joke.

But as a woman in my 40s and not on Twitter, I am invisible to Labour.

[Throckmorton]

God I love you all. Not being alone in this is what gives me the strength to keep on trying.

[WorkingItOutAsIGo]

I really enjoyed that. And I explicitly said don’t reject my answers as transphobic - I was marching for lgbt rights 40 years ago.

[Anonymouse99]

I am a socialist and don’t think they should go back to Blair’s policies as one PP suggested but the one thing I can say about Blair is he himself had charisma. Put someone in charge who knows how to talk to the press and understands how the media works but focuses on proper left wing policies. Focus on inequalities of wealth not identity politics. I have been listening to and reading a lot by Andrew Doyle (the person behind Titania McGrath) recently and he talks about how identity politics is essentially a very bourgeois idea. I always felt New Labour was appealing to middle class voters and was leaving working class voters without a party. I always voted Labour as it was the closest thing to my views but never felt it really represented my views completely.m so I was really optimistic when Jeremy Corbyn first became leader and gave him the benefit of the doubt on many occasions as I felt he got horrendous treatment by the tabloids. But as time went on and he continually failed to decisively say where he stood on so many issues, as well as never properly tackling the antisemitism problem, I found it harder and harder to have any faith in him. I really don’t want them to ditch their socialist policies which I have seen some suggest, but they should really take a look at themselves and decide who their core voters are and what they want (clue: it’s not the removal of women’s rights).

[Councilworker]

Filled it in now. Said they have to stop listening to Momentum and realise that the increased party membership is tiny compared to the electorate. They cannot just try to appease the Woke Bros if they want to win elections.

[LOLeater]

Thank you for sharing the link. My blood pressure went up. Like a PP I hadn’t realised how angry I was/am about the way a Party supposed to represent ordinary people has been hijacked by idiots and extremists telling women about what it means to be female.

[GoddessArtemis]

Thank you Throckmorton for the reminder. Have ranted away and feel so much better now I`m off for and and possible some

[RoyalCorgi]

Well, I enjoyed doing that. My response included the sentence: "I have rarely been more angry in my life."

[Pollyputthepizzaon]

Cathartic thank you. I just used this copy and past from above

Women's rights are human rights.

Listen to the many not the few.

Dismissing people's concerns as bigoted isn't the best way to get them to vote for you

[Pepperoniextracheese]

I kept it fairly short so as not to get too worked up.

Women's rights are human rights.

Listen to the many not the few.

Pointed out that dismissing people's concerns as bigoted isn't the best way to get them to vote for you

[RuffleCrow]

Oh, i told'em. I told'em good.

[MsMcWibble]

I enjoyed that. Thanks.

[Cwenthryth]

I said we had to listen to people - all people, not just those we like or agree with - and stop telling people what they should think and what we think they want or need.

Gender I gave other and wrote “I do not subscribe to gender - my sex is female”

[CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost]

Bumping this.

[Angryresister]

Yes phonic I said as much. Also about actually opposing if you are an opposition party. And the gender question was the final straw!

[T0tallyFuckedUpFamily]

what one thing could we change to make us electable

Well one thing I can tell you that you CAN’T change, is your sex, you misogynistic muppets. You’re not woke, you’re bloody sleepwalking.

[PhonicTheHedgehog]

Dear Labour, it doesn’t matter how you communicate a message if you’ve no idea what that message is. Get some principles that you believe in. Integrity. Intelligence. Wanting to win to say you’ve won isn’t helping anyone.

[theflushedzebra]

I've done this.

As I was typing I was just imagining my responses being thrown on the "transphobe" or even "boomer" pile. (I'm not a boomer, but that seems to be what they like to call us now).

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make Labour think.

[WomanIsTaken]

Urgh. I was contacted on the phone a couple of times when I left the LP, asking why. The last time, the man at the other end of the line sounded genuinely apologetic, and even said (on the subject of AWS) "...while I can't see that changing anytime soon, I am really sorry!" I took that as a little nudge of solidarity.
Will attend to your link, OP.

[agentnully]

Thanks, Throckmorton

All my replies were rants. I didn't realise I was so angry until I started filling it in.

I haven't finished yet. Fatigue and medical conditions dictate how much I can do in one sitting. Correcting mistakes in MN posts as I go along is exhausting!

[womanaf]

That was fun.

[Chrysanthemum5]

I took them at their word and didn't hold back. That feels good 😊

[littlbrowndog]

Done