Andy Burnham releases statement after meeting group accused of 'transphobia' (Expel him!)

[stumbledin]

Andy Burnham has released a statement reaffirming his ‘support for the trans community’ after it was revealed he met with members of the LGB Alliance.

The non-party political LGB Alliance say their aim is to ‘assert the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define ourselves as same-sex attracted’.

However, the group has faced criticism for its policies and were most recently called a “transphobic organisation" by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights (LCTR).

(Later in the article it looks like they are trying to say who only met them be accident as they were sort of undercover!)

“There was no mention in the letter of the LGB Alliance,” Burnham’s representatives said in a statement issued this week.

“The Mayor therefore agreed to meet, as he would any Labour Party members, and as he has done for other individuals and groups, to hear all points of view on an issue.

“Meetings do not indicate support for any individual or group but the Mayor continues to support the changes proposed to GRA as set out in his letter to the Secretary of State.”

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/andy-burnham-trans-community-support-17743380

Am beginning to think we need to call these self righteous trans activists McCarthyites.

"McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence."

TransCarthyites?

Spineless dickhead.

Am beginning to think we need to call these self righteous trans activists McCarthyites

Absolutely. Witch hunts. Denunciations. Purges. The current Labour party is such an ugly, regressive look....

07-Aug-18 OP RadicalFern wrote:

"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser

Andy Burnham, Mayr of Greater Manchester, has hired an advisor, Carl Austin-Behan, to help him think of what to do about "the row" over All-Women shortlists. Austin-Behan's solution? Party members who campaign against trans women being fully accepted as women should no longer be allowed in the party.

Austin-Behan described opposition as "Utter rubbish; if people are trans women, then they are women.”

www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/people-who-oppose-trans-rights-have-no-place-in-labour-says?utm_term=.mdWBWxEelr&bftwuk#.mkdLwq18nP

thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329447-People-Who-Oppose-Trans-Rights-Have-No-Place-In-Labour-Says-The-First-LGBT-Mayoral-Adviser

How very disappointing.

How very predictable. And yes to the allegations of McCarthyism

Disappointingly predictable.
But at least he will not be able to claim he had no idea what was really going on when the shit hits the fan.

Can anyone explain to me how the trans lobby is so powerful and influential? I would assume that trans people are not a huge section of the population and yet they're extremely vociferous. Also very quick to opt for legal action to shut down any dissenting voices. Where do they get all their funding from?

Curious and (very) concerned.

They are powerful men that is why they are so powerful

It's just over 11 weeks until the Manchester mayor elections.
Burnham is probably very safe, but now is the time to question him.

Anyone running scared of allowing questions or other opinions than their own are nothing more than scammers. If they are absolutely right and true, what’s to be scare of?

Can anyone explain to me how the trans lobby is so powerful and influential?

Not entirely. But it has a lot to do with the guilt of so many people over the treatment of gay men in public life for so many years, and then a voice pops up, "What about us? We're the new gays....."

Can anyone explain to me how the trans lobby is so powerful and influential? I would assume that trans people are not a huge section of the population and yet they're extremely vociferous. Also very quick to opt for legal action to shut down any dissenting voices. Where do they get all their funding from?

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3733240-Regulatory-Capture

TheGirlFromStoryville

Lots of people have different theories as to how they got so powerful.

In the US it is said that once gender disphoria was put on the list of medical procedures that health insurance would cover, big pharma started opening up the opportunies and effectively went out into the market place to create customers.

In the UK, some say it is part of a loose network of people who you could put under the catergory of having queer political analysis, but what really made it big business here (and so a political influencer) was when Stonewall realised that to some extent their purpose didn't really exist any more ie gay marriage, laws against homophobia and so on. So they hit on the idea that expanding their brief from being a campaign about the rights of people who are same sex attracted they adopted the queer politics of it isn't biological fact it is identity. So they hijacked not just those who bought into the notion of "identity" but those who had previously seen themselves as trans sexuals but hadn't every attempted to say it then made similar to those who are same sex attracted, let alone that even after transition that could actually change sex.

Not entirely. But it has a lot to do with the guilt of so many people over the treatment of gay men in public life for so many years

Mockers
Respectfully, I don't think that is the motivation. I think that the modern McCarthyism is fueled by a rapacious desire for power wielded by authoritarians who don't care about freedom of speech. They don't believe in debate, critical analysis, dissent, discussion. They believe in conformity and submission to the new orthodoxy. Suzanne Moore chooses the Telegraph to denounce the Labour party's latest witch hunt.
The Guardian is stuffed full of Oxbridge graduates whose sneering contempt for Labour's traditional voter base is legion. It doesn't bother to report news which contradicts its narrow, ideological bias. The sinister, authoritarian suppression of freedom of speech, the Manichean certainties, the grotesque colonisation of the moral high ground? Not attractive. Not electable.

Trans Rights Activism goes back many decades as demonstrated in the important thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

Is there really no one in public life with a spine? Pathetic

Craven back-hole.

Thanks for the heads up. Have emailed him

Always nice when a man mansplains people with penises being “women”.

Thanks for the links, I'm going to have a read now.
I haven't paid much attention to all this tbh but some of the cases recently have made me belatedly take note. I also REALLY object to the term cis woman. Grrrr.

Just saying if rowan links anything. It’s worth it to read.

She knows stuff rowan

Remember how, after the iron curtain lifted and the USSR disintegrated, our governments needed to find a new threat to frighten us with?

It's like that.

As stumbledin says, Stonewall lost its raison d'etre once gay marriage was passed, so needed to dismantle itself and go home or find another fight.

Think also Nigel Farage and Brexit.

Votes... no other reason, Labour think it will give them more votes.

Labour were 'captured' by the transactivists prior to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act.

Nothing has changed

October 2018
"Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News

Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms'
by Nick Duffy
(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, he said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.”
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News