Three NHS trusts to adopt guidelines written by a trans activist

[jadefinch]

3 NHS trusts have adopted a trans activist's manual that says sex is assigned, not observed, at birth, anatomy 'is not always a good guide' to determining a child’s sex and puberty blockers, currently under an NHS ethics review, can be used on children.

The activist who wrote the guidelines is a biological male who believes they can breastfeed and has called 'cis' women an 'infestation'.

Michelle it is worse than that.

We know someone was killed when 20 bricks fell on their head but we now have 22 bricks suspended above them and we don’t know what will happen if 22 bricks fall on them so we don’t need helmets..

Oh 22 bricks falling on someone’s head kills them too? Well that is different to this situation. Those were red bricks and these are yellow ones.

Well done to those involved in getting the Equality Impact Assessment done.

We know someone was killed when 20 bricks fell on their head but we now have 22 bricks suspended above them and we don’t know what will happen if 22 bricks fall on them so we don’t need helmets..
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Oh 22 bricks falling on someone’s head kills them too? Well that is different to this situation. Those were red bricks and these are yellow ones.

Good analogy.

@Backbee

The thing I don't get is that a transman or a transwomans medical needs are different to biological men and women. If people were actually concerned about the health and wellbeing for these people, they would surely be fighting for more research into taking hormones, the psychological impact, pushing for advances in surgery, and most importantly, would be welcoming of further investment and access to mental health services before having any physical medical treatment. As it is, the woke dont actually give a fuck about these people, but are all about pushing an agenda which doesn't benefit anyone except for themselves.

This.^

anotherFOIrequester

This new acknowledgment in an EQIA that sex as a protected characteristic exists might be worthy of its own thread.
to all those who did so much to finally get women acknowledged.

@Imnobody4

It also states in the impact assessment ^The EHRC states “In UK law, ‘sex’ is understood as binary, with a person’s legal sex being determined by what is recorded on their birth certificate. A transgender person can change their legal gender by obtaining a GRC. A transgender person who does not have a GRC retains the sex recorded and is protected under the Equality Act as per their legal sex or under the protected characteristic ‘Disabled’ in some circumstances (impaired or limited ability to engage in certain tasks or actions, or to participate in typical daily activities). ^ and recognises the recent no self id decision by gov. This seems a good sign.

that is a moderately good sign. A few issues with the main part of this document but the real problem is deep down in the Delivering Same Sex Accommodation document it links to:

Under the Equality Act 2010, individuals who have proposed, begun or completed reassignment of gender enjoy legal protection against discrimination. A trans person does not need to have had, or be planning, any medical gender reassignment treatment to be protected under the Equality Act: it is enough if they are undergoing a personal process of changing gender. In addition, good practice requires that clinical responses be patient-centred, respectful and flexible towards all transgender people whether they live continuously or temporarily in a gender role that does not conform to their natal sex. General key points are that:
• Trans people should be accommodated according to their presentation: the way they dress, and the name and pronouns they currently use.
• This may not always accord with the physical sex appearance of the chest or genitalia.
• It does not depend on their having a gender recognition certificate (GRC) or legal name change.
• It applies to toilet and bathing facilities (except, for instance, that preoperative trans people should not share open shower facilities).
• Views of family members may not accord with the trans person’s wishes, in which case, the trans person’s view takes priority.

So self-id into the ward of their choice, staff are required to maintain utmost privacy of the transgender status of a patient and it is only relevant in a medical context (I can't find the quote now but it is buried in there somewhere) so they probably can't even acknowledge that there may be a male-bodied transgender person on a female ward.

Transgender children's wishes over-ride the parents views (presumably for older children) so there are potential safe-guarding issues if accommodated on a ward not according to their natal sex.

If anyone has any issues with an effectively mixed sex ward, at least they have dropped the 're-education' policy but no mention if the patient that objects will still be removed from the premises (as per the leaflet issued by the Devon NHS Trust).

Breaches of the single sex accommodation policy are regarded as being very serious and recorded in ALL cases for inpatient/mental health wards EXCEPT, guess what - where the breach is caused by a transgender patient. Housing a male-bodied transgender person in a female ward is not considered a breach of single sex accommodation.

No real mention of how a clash of rights will be resolved esp. in the case of religious requirements, traumatised women etc - they leave that up to the hospital staff to argue out on a case by case basis - I'm sure that will be fine as they all have so much time on their hands to arbitrate between two completely conflicting requirements. A very poorly patient may be unlikely to be able to advocate effectively for themselves.

Any doubt that anyone might have that single sex wards are not essential would be dispelled by reading the case of the 17 year old girl in Cork, severely injured in an accident. She was placed on a ward with 3 males and during the night, when a nurse came into check why the heart monitor of the 64 yr old male patient was highly elevated, it transpired that he was sexually assaulting the girl who was too injured to raise the alarm.

Everybody who allowed that to happen should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3784009-Are-you-in-Devon-Bristol-North-Somerset-or-South-Gloucestershire-Tell-NHS-your-view-on-trans-guidelines-NOW

the previous thread on this - a good one thanks FOI. I will be writing another letter or three while they are still taking comments on this policy - at least it sounds like they have started listening to concerned people.

Surely it is perfectly possible to respectfully and flexibly respond to the needs of a trans patient by providing them with accommodation not in an open ward of the sex they would prefer not to be with, but in a room or area of their own to ensure their dignity, privacy and support of their chosen identity. And maybe hospitals need to be looking in new build and site development into ensuring there are these accommodation options for trans patients of either sex. And they can negotiate with individual trans patients on a case by case basis as to whether they would feel safe and able to share that space with another trans patient depending on circumstances at the time.

None of this requires female patients having a male patient put in their midst without their consent and against all practice and public policy, and not really being allowed to show their feelings or concerns about it or opt out, because the male patient gets all the choices and female patients are apparently just props in this situation. Who get to endure, without anyone caring about their privacy or dignity or stress, or fears or impact on recovery, or what they may have to disclose on the spot to staff who may or may not accuse them of hate speech, or whether they will have to discharge themselves.

It is possible to meet the needs of male trans people without harming the rights, interests and needs of female people. The one does not require the other.