14.02.20 Live updates on Harry and Kate’s cases HERE

[MrsSnippyPants]

I shall be glued to social media this morning and thought it might be useful to have a place where we can post updates as they come in so people need to follow just one thread.
Please post Twitter handles of anyone providing live updates as you find them.
@WeAreFairCop are saying it is likely the judgement will NOT be read out so they hope to get a copy and summarise and tweet after 10.30am

If Harry was female, this judgement would never have occurred. I'm sure he'll be the first to say it when he hears about Kate's conviction. #oldfashionedmisogyny

So Hayden had a press release all ready for "if" they won.

Seems like. And the tweets not in favour are being disappeared.

I'm over the moon for Harry personally but very disturbed that the recording of crime non-crimes is lawful. Trying to figure out what this means
Same, I’m happy, but very apprehensive about what this actually means

The teach our children to be kind has incensed me. I don’t teach my girls to be kind if someone attacks them.

Quite, attacking someone with a golf club, then using that court case to intimidate someone else, and being banned from this very forum, for calling everyone nutters?

Under what circumstances and in what universe would be kind ever apply?

It can’t be right that non crime crime incidents can show up on enhanced dbs checks surely?

"But it seems to me that this approach does not exclude that there must, on the facts narrated by a complainant, be some rational basis for concluding that there is a hate element. Suppose, for example, that a fat and bald straight non-trans man is walking home from work down his quiet residential street when abuse is shouted at him from a passing car to the effect that he is fat and bald. If that person went to the police and said the abuse were based on hostility because of transgender it cannot be the case that HCOG would require it to be recorded as such as a non-crime hate incident when there is nothing in the facts which remotely begins to suggest that was any connection with that protected strand. Vitally important though the purposes which HCOG serves undoubtedly are, it does not require the police to leave common sense wholly out of account when deciding whether to record what is or is not a non-crime hate incident"

Joani Walsh tweet:

"I’m with Kate and her barrister. She will be appealing on Monday."

twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1228268323923775488

Over the moon about Harry's verdict. But confused by the "crime non-crime" bit still being ok?! Will need to read the verdict in detail.

Excellent news R0

I'll have a shovel if needed.

I have a shovel too.

Is there a thread I can read on what’s happened to Caroline Farrow, I’ve seen her tweet saying she’s taking legal advice.

Interesting:

Joani Walshh*

@joaniwalshi
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#Scottoww* reprimanded for using Mandy McGirlDick as a Twitter name. Be careful of your handles, folks.

I have a shovel, it's very small but it will be as big as I can make it! I shall be asking everyone I know to shovel too

So Hayden had a press release all ready for "if" they won.

GenderfreeLang as far as I'm aware, both sides in any court case will prepare two statements / press releases. Depending on the outcome, you can then release the appropriate response.

On what grounds is Kate going to appeal, I wonder?

Reading the judgement, opens with robust defence of freedom of speech. States that
the matter was recorded as a non crime hate incident simply on the say so of Mrs B and without any critical scrutiny of the tweets or any assessment of whether what she was saying was accurate. As I shall show in a moment, what she told the police was not accurate

Non crime crimes is very worrying - what does this mean for dbs?

Looking through these tweets:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1228266178214334464

and this JUDGE - agree. - to Ian Wise - The declaration gives you what you want. leaves me with the impression that if you get reported for a non-crime non-hate incident, and it's recorded by the Police, then the record stays there to do you harm and that a partial solution is for the reported person to have to go to court to get a declaration of "non-hate". This would be extremely unsatisfactory.

Another dog walker and I were just talking about this this morning - the threat to freedom of speech posed by the rabid "wokeness" of transideology (even without the physical danger to 50% of the population).

They can fuck off with the "kind" nonsense.
We teach ALL our children to be kind to ALL others - not just teach the girlchildren to be kind to everyone else but take all the shit thrown at them, which is basically what the judge is saying.

I'm so glad Harry won though but I'd be a lot happier if Kate had won too.
That Hayden person is a litigious aggressor and this will just give them more impetus to carry on attacking free speech.

Is the conditional discharge time-limited? They usually are.

KS also has to pay costs (£1000) plus a £21 "victim surcharge" which goes to the victim as damages in all but name.

no evidence that tweets were 'designed' to cause deep offence

As per previous poster, I also don't understand Kate's case. She contacted the complainant under several different names after agreeing not too, right? Wasn't she in the wrong?

Non crime crimes is very worrying - what does this mean for dbs?

Quite. Ironically received my updated one today.

Will it be like getting points that wear off after 5 years?!

It's on the news on Radio 2 now!