LGB Conservatives think the Tory party is captured too.

[Fallingirl]

About to go to sleep, and I came upon this.

According to LGB Conservatives (don’t actually know who they are. An actual group within the party?), the Tory party is strongly allied with Stonewall and “may not hold out much longer”.

If this is true, we really are up against it. The only action that springs to mind, is contacting as many Tory MP’s as we can, to let them know cancelling women’s rights will be noticed, and we really do care.

Likewise with safeguarding of children in schools.

I don’t know what this group knows, or where their information comes from, though.

In another thread, In AIBU, someone was suggesting Dominic Cummings is busily undermining the civil service, and hoarding power for himself. We know the civil service is captured, anyone know anything about Cummings?

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1227991141318086656.html

Well, well, well. Tomorrow's Times, "No. 10 backs free expression ruling on trans tweets". Downing Street prepared to press for a review of the College's guidelines.

RunningWild12 Thank You, yes I think that's it. I meant to start a thread about it when I came across it then forgot all about it.

This is purely anecdotal so make of it what you will.

In the run-up to the election in December, the only canvasser on my doorstep was my local Conservative councillor. He was surprisingly well-informed when I raised the subject of the GRA proposals. He said it had come up on the doorstep a number of times already and made no bones about his strong concerns about TWs in toilets, changing rooms, refuges, prisons and in women's sports.

I asked him what the view was at CCHQ and he said they knew it was a hot potato and it had been kicked into the long grass. Forgive the mixed metaphors. I can't remember his exact words but that was the gist.

Also anecdotally, I had previously emailed my Conservative MP to ask her to support Safer Schools Alliance's push for a wider public consultation on the schools guidance pack. Her reply was careful - she is a woman and in the public eye, after all - but the strong impression I got from her response was that I was pushing at an open door and she would welcome as many objections and concerns as possible.

I do not think it was a coincidence that the Equalities Minister role was taken off Penny Mordaunt and given to Liz Truss. I also note that the narrative has moved on a fair bit since Theresa May was PM - Tavistock, formation of LGB Alliance, Harry Miller, etc - and people are more generally aware. The media is also getting braver at reporting concerns. It's not just a few lone voices any more.

If the government is due to announce its decision in about a month, time to push even more.

Of course they are. No way would the police be acting like the genderist gestapo without behind the scenes government approval. Anyone here seriously trust BJ to keep women and kids safe from male people?

I trust him more than Labour tbh. I am planning to contact my conservative (female) MP. She’s new in the job. Just wondering where to start with it all - it’s such a massive topic. Something specific like the dodgy EHRC guidance or the CPS schools nonsense or a more general set of concerns about women and girls’ safety.

The Tories know to be careful. Dominic Cummings wife (Boris' very powerful advisor) is deputy editor of the Specator and Andrew Gilligan, who wrote some very good GC articles for the Times, is also a No 10 advisor.

However they have plenty on their agenda, not least Brexit, and my guess is that nothing much will happen, giving time for public understanding and concern to evolve. Then perhaps we will see responsive action, ie over free speech on campus, or policing guidelines. The assumption being that this (rather weird) reverence towards transgenderism will burn itself out.

The GIDS case will be important. I would really like to see the Government act to ensure proper consent and to minimise the medicalisation of children. Also a review of prison guidelines, possibly after 'another' Karen White, which should then act as a precedent for the protection of other same sex spaces involving vulnerable women.

So piecemeal action to roll some of the nonsense back, largely led by evolving public concerns. Not from-the-front leadership. But better than nothing.

Hopefully this will lead to more questioning of the value of Stonewall. And an on-going virtuous circle. I think the TRAs overplayed their hand.

My Tory MP dismissed my gc questions, focusing only on the spousal veto issue, which the MP was adamant was an infringement on a trans person’s rights. My MP dismissed me quickly and wouldn’t discuss it further. This was a year or so ago at the MP’s local face-to-face surgery, and I knew less then to argue.

As someone who grew up with "Yes, Minister", I suspect the Civil Service is a far bigger problem than the government of the day.

Someone in the CS employed the aforementioned MN intern in 2019; a quick search of her name would have undoubtedly brought up her shenanigans here on Mumsnet, but being the source of a data leak was clearly not regarded as an obstacle.

It reminds me of sleeper cells - who knows how many supporters, declared or otherwise, of Press For Change/ Stonewall/ Beaumont Society have been beavering away behind the scenes in the CS for years, gaining influence with every promotion? There is even a separate organisation within the organisation - a:gender

www.agender.org.uk/

Update. According to the Spectator last night, Kemi Badenoch has taken over the Equalities Minister post from Liz Truss.

AFAIK, it is Ms Badenoch's only ministerial responsibility (as well as her first) whereas it was just one line on Liz Truss's job spec.

As someone who grew up with "Yes, Minister", I suspect the Civil Service is a far bigger problem than the government of the day

TimeLady
I think that is an excellent point. The government can be ejected in an election, but the civil service are a permanent presence. This is institutional capture and its insidious effects.

Agreed. The civil service are the major problem - they are in a position to influence and manipulate policy and legislation with little or no consequences - despite the guidance in the Nolan principles on conduct in public life.

I think Badenoch is a junior Minister reporting to the Cabinet Minister, Liz Truss, who still has overall respnsibility

order-order.com/2020/02/14/reshuffle-live-6/

Correction to my last post - Kemi Badenoch is also now Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury.

She is an interesting woman. Here is a 2017 interview from Conservative Home in which she describes herself as a "cultural Christian" and an "associate Catholic" because she is married to a Catholic. She has also spoken before about how she approaches everyday situations - such as getting into taxis - very differently to her husband, because she is a woman.

I'm hopeful.

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2017/12/interview-kemi-badenoch-im-not-really-left-leaning-on-anything-i-always-lean-right-instinctively.html

Binterested Safe Schools Alliance have some excellent sample letters on their website.

The civil service have definitely been captured; look what this man got a Stonewall award for; introducing ‘gender neutral’ toilets.
www.stonewall.org.uk/people/senior-champion-year-2019-jonathan-slater

Ah, Slater. I've been trying to remember his name.

"Slater joined Her Majesty's Civil Service in 2001 into the Cabinet Office, having worked for Islington Borough Council.[1][3] After four years there, he did a stint in the Prime Minister's Delivery Unit at Number 10 in 2005, working on NHS reform and the capability review programme. In 2006, he moved to the Ministry of Justice,[3] working in the National Offender Management Service as its Director of Performance & Improvement, and then in 2008 as Chief Executive of the Office for Criminal Justice Reform before being promoted in 2009 to be Director-General, Transformation.[3][4][1]"

I'd be interested to know how influential he was in housing male prisoners in the female estate.

I doubt the Tories will be doing anything with the GRA. But the question is, will they be doing anything to stop the creep of self ID in institutions? I don't think they will unless they are forced into it by public outcry.

KB is my MP, although I believe she’s currently on mat leave and I can’t see any details of upcoming surgeries.

So does anyone hold the portfolio currently, or is it not important enough to cover?

" But the question is, will they be doing anything to stop the creep of self ID in institutions? I don't think they will unless they are forced into it by public outcry."

that is exactly what I'm concerned about.

Though I still think the GRC has been made redundant by equal marriage.

This crop of tories are populists. And gender ideology is not popular. There was a story pre election about the potential for Johnson to "weaponise" this issue to drum up support for his side. I'm wondering, if seeing the coverage, that the tories go after this issue in quite high profile ways. Almost as a marker of "us vs them", where the metropolitan elite want to sterilise you're kids and do drag in libraries while the tories representing ex red wall British values will protect the country from this nonsense. (Read the last sentence in Johnson's voice).

Hmmmm might be wrong, but feels like a way for them to win with their voters on an culture issue where there is little cost to them (as few tories are pro gender ideology). Although could just be wishful thinking!

Lobbying your MP might help push it up the agenda!

There are aspects of genderism that fit right into Conservative thinking and the instinctive reaction to any mention of privacy is one of them. It's not an accident that the Goodwin case which led to the GRA was fought and won on privacy. Self-Id can be constructed as a Conservative policy all right - letting people 'be who they are' without 'state interference'. Activists like Sue Pascoe will always lobby quietly about this and they will find fertile ground in the party. Lesbian feminist activism by Labour members like Selina Todd and Prof Kathryn Stock will not always look great to Conservatives.

Any party with a majority starts neglecting its cannon fodder MPs. So I agree for those with a Tory MP, lobbying around sport, children and prisons are strong areas to get them thinking when they are feeling put upon by the central party regime.

I think anyone who has not read the PM’s own words disclaiming the actions of the police in pursuing twitter transphobes should; and I think if you are a civil servant, it might also be wise to not be the person who starts putting forward proposals on further trans measures.

Civil service is not a monolith - and depending on the state of play then certain people are forward and some out.

The Harry the Owl case will probably mean a review of lots of trans policy - across the board.

This is an open goal for the tories at the moment. They can see that Labour have caused an internal civil war over the issue in recent days. To take the same position would be ridiculous.

All they have to do is say that they do not intend to alter the GRA at his point in time and the only people they will piss off will be those who would never have voted for them anyway.

All they have to do is say that they do not intend to alter the GRA at his point in time and the only people they will piss off will be those who would never have voted for them anyway.

They won't be doing this because they probably will, at some point, be changing it.

All they have to do is say that they do not intend to alter the GRA at his point in time and the only people they will piss off will be those who would never have voted for them anyway.

What the Conservative Government need to do is address the many Safeguarding failures which are happening now & during the period they have been in power.

Senior medics whistle blew Duty of Care concerns over a year ago at NHS Tavistock children's service.

Vulnerable females have been (continue to be) locked in prison with males.

NHS ward policies allow males to self-id onto women's wards & female shower facilities.

Mermaids & Stonewall (self described lobby groups) are influencing children's education & school policy.

Social Workers are being hampered in raising serious Safeguarding breeches due to trans-inclusive policies.

then there's the police, the judiciary, the civil service etc

Aside from the need for a thorough investigation into the failings of Maria Miller MPs Trans Enquiry report & the influence of single issue lobby groups on ministers & government policy.

R0wantrees I don’t dispute any of your points.

All I was saying (rather flippantly, I admit) is that I don’t think it’s in the interests of the tories at this point to go any further down the line towards self-ID Or reforming the GRA.

I don’t argue that they have a whole host of other issues to address based on where they or government institutions currently stand.