gender neutralising of domestic abuse is on the rise (Jane Garvey r4 WH)

[TruthOnTrial]

If we all claim that abuse is due to narcissism, it can erase male perpetrated violence against women and children.

The term narcissist was defined accurately as a rare personality disorder of self love.

This was then conflated with a non-binary view, as in NPD is a spectrum.

Neither words were used in the interview that took place as a follow up to a woman experiencing abuse from another woman.

This is a growing trend that I've noticed in the media, on forums, and generally in conversarion, similar to the irrelevance of saying but women abuse too as a deflection.

This is also becoming more widespread in womens services.

The Freedom Programme thankfully will not hold with skewing the facts of male perpetrated dv and have had to intervene where any group deliberately alter their materials to skew women's education around gendered abuse.

Its worrying that women survivors are being exposed to this erasure of dv being gendered. I have seen many posters on MN and elsewhere adopt this approach also.

Its part of erasing statistics from what I can see.

There is already substantial underfunding in refuge and related dv services, according to wa recent reports, but if stats are erased there can be no justification for funding for womens protection.

Alarming erasure- glad to hear the Freedom Programme aren't standing for it.

I doubt many survivors of abuse within freedom programmes would know to flag this up as an issue, so they are being given false and misleading information at a time of.desperate need for validation and clarity, as well as female led support and role modelling.

I believe that freedom programme would never let men run these sessions, but I believe that those opting to run the courses might, especially as there's already evidence of the gender based violence message being erased.

Yes, the whole false message of men are victims too, men need access to dv services meant for women is being pushed hard. It's bullshit.

The very first power point sent out via Operation encompass did this.

Omg thats extremely worrying neurotrash

Who runs this? Is it recent? They seem to be intrinsic to safeguarding protocols for children, but with massive ommissions of reality! Scarey.

nerotrashwarrior what’s Operation Encompass?
I agree: I never feel comfortable when people rush to say “But there are male victims too!”. Yes I know there are, and I appreciate that in one sense they can have a worse time than women admitting to being in that situation, but I remain convinced the vast majority are female, ie that statistics are currently being manipulated. But maybe I’m wrong, very interested to know what other people think/know.

Here's a link to them Strawberry

www.operationencompass.org/

Safeguarding children in school from what I've seen.

I think the govt needs to be directly responsible for safeguarding in schools.

Charitable organisations don't seem to hold accountability for duty of care, and when it comes to children a very basic requirement, as with women and dv.

Oh right yes I have come across the organisation.... when I was researching what my children’s school should have done when they were notified of police involvement in a DA incident.....

TruthOnTrial what did you mean by:
I doubt many survivors of abuse within freedom programmes would know to flag this up as an issue ?

I think survivors have so much to take in, and are keeping nd of in a shock and awe place, with oftentimes social services and police and courts on top of trying to understand and process their experiences. In a kind of wth just happened state, maybe still in survival state, and like any vulnerable person, reliant upon the educators to be honest and present materials as intended, or not even think about it, just go along with it, rather than ever question or complain, at that very early stage.

...and to keep on top of, in a shock and awe place

Freedom Programme is not just for women who’ve just come out of abusive situations, Truthontrial. Many participants are years on from moving out/had abusive fathers/are still living with the perpetrator (OK that last one might put them in a pretty bad place currently!). I think at least some of them are very much ready to question and complain!

Do you think that. Ok. ?

I do know its not only about those just out, there are those still in it and those after leaving, but it is a first line education which has huge potential to mislead when done wrong.

Not sure what your argument is achieving here?

Were you meaning to pick apart?

Sorry OP, it’s just I wanted to check you didn’t have a false impression of Freedom programme participants - your comment about them could have been read as a bit patronising?

But sorry, not meaning to detract from your main point, which I very much agree with. Off to BBC Sounds to listen to Woman’s Hour and what Jane Garvey said. Thanks for drawing attention to this issue.

I may be being unfair re operation encompass, I just felt there was a healthy dollop of what aboutery in the first set of stuff that came out.

I'll have to go back and find it to check though.

Tbh it will evolve, it's only been going since sept. .

The idea is to have a link between police and schools around DV and coercive control, including opportunities for parents to meet police workers to disclose an issue in school. I've felt there are some potential issues and barriers there tbh though.

Not worries strawberries. I can see what you mean; my perspective was more one of low expectation upon anyone going through such difficulties, than their general ability to complain or ask questions, just that circumstances might make that even more challenging to do, or even look that far beyond their own currently struggles.

Its definitely something that would need to be encouraged, like it is in any arena where the vulnerable lose their voice, because they're vulnerable.

I think it should be part of every workers script when theres work with the vulnerable, with robust procedures in place to support anyone wanting to raise issues, in such areas as childrens home, care homes generally and so on.

I didn't mean to be patronising, my writing was recognition of vulnerability bringing challenges.

I've just seen this neurotrash lifted from their site...

Operation Encompass has five amazing patrons. Dame Esther Rantzen DBE Dame Vera Baird QC Victims Commissioner Sarah Coryton (High Sheriff of Cornwall - 2017-2018) Anneka Rice (Actress and Broadcaster) Kirstie Mcdonough. Ambassadors Anton Du Beke Dr Warren Larkin Dr Annemarie Millar

That they are producing policies that ingrain paper trails into school children safeguarding issues.

I know that if the police are called out to a dv incident overnight, then school are informed so that the child can be supported within school the next day. Plugging holes already in place before the advent of encompass, but I guess its more of this sort of thing?

I very much agree, I recently did mandatory domestic abuse training to bring us up to date with the new coercive control laws.

The one case study was a man, he had suffered horrendous abuse and was rescued close to death and his ex partner was jailed and he has custody of the kids. This man deserves compassion and appropriate care.

The problem was the discussion afterwards focussed entirely on men, it seemed to be deemed more awful when a man had suffered abuse.

It also completely ignored the gendered nature of domestic abuse apart from one slide with statistics.

It completely missed out the fact that women are more vulnerable to abuse than men and the statistic that two women a week (I think) die at the hands of a partner or ex partner.

How biased.

I am horrified that the coercive control law is being so biased in its implementation!

Womens aid had input to this, so I'm not understanding why this is not newsworthy bias.

Erasure of women being killed

Who's erasing the death of women? Who's responsible for this dangerous propoganda?

I also know from other threads running that rape crisis expect women rape survivors arenforced to share their once female only space with men, and that refuges in Brighton have been letting in men for years.

Is there nowhere women can be in the company of only women to feel safe?

Surely its only women that can tell others whether they feel safe?

Who can gaslight women who don't feel safe diacussing male rape and abuses upon them with males, that they do feel safe?

Are women telling other women that they DO in fact feel safe, when they in fact DONT?

I guess in places such as the rape crisis and the refuges in brighton they do gaslight the women survivors this way and erase completely the nature of their sex based assaults.

ginger

I am interested to kniw whether you were, as the person delivering the training, able to insert relevant factual data, to address the bias?

I am so shocked that coercive control is being rolled out for men!

Has been misappropriated like this

I was not delivering the training, I took part in it.

I did make sure to steer the discussion afterwards to the female statistics a bit.

Ah, I see. Can you get links to the online resources from the trainer to post here?

Interested to know also how the trainer fielded your stats on the majority is male violence against women?