Women on women’s march struggle to define women

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Sorry that this is from twitter but.....I’m off to find a wall to bang my head against

I'd hope that at least women who would actually join the march would have the guts to speak up. I suspect this might also have something to do with the atrocious political situation in the USA. The Woke Democrats have worked hard to associate the slightest failure to affirm affirm affirm with rampant Trumpianism.

The 2017 Women's March was the final straw in making me gender critical.

I'm actually worried the TRAs will go after Oxford Dictionary. Then we are screwed.

Something like that has already happened (facilitated by the BBC):

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000c4v8

The OED did as they were bid even though they said that the evidence to change the definition of "drag" was not really sufficient to justify such a change.

I do wonder if they left out people who gave more sensible responses. It's always hard to tell with these kinds of clips.

The body language of some of the women was interesting. The younger women seemed much more comfortable with the orthodoxy the older ones were struggling IMO.

There's a slightly longer version of the video here:

The cognitive dissonance really is astonishing. If you honestly believed that being a woman was a choice, a mindset or an identity, then surely all the disadvantages women face could be overcome by them deciding that they aren't actually women. No need for a march at all!

At least one woman in the longer video acknowledges that human reproduction wouldn't be possible without women. I'm hoping that plenty of more sensible responses were edited out, too.

They are trying to believe what they say but you know that deep down when they are asked about innate differences between men and women they know the answer.

“Woke little pipsqueaks”

But seriously how did we get to a place where middle aged women especially are getting lectured by boys young enough to be their son and that is seen as ok

It's the way the left has gone, especially in the US, that means they are compelled to say they believe anyone can be a woman or face being accused of being part of some kind of hateful right wing Christian group. Their words are so considered and stilted. They are terrified of putting a foot wrong.

How deeply depressing.
I'm just going to say XX chromosomes. But no doubt someone will then talk about intersex.

At some point in the not-too-distant future when ‘woman’ finally means nothing, these people will look at their pink pussy hats and realise that Trump wasn’t grabbing a gender identity.

And then they will think what a good idea it would be if there was a collective name for the group of people who have their pussy grabbed by more powerful people, or who are discriminated against at work when they have babies, or who never get to win any medals in sports so that they could agitate on their behalf.

women feeling too intimidated to be able to say what a women Is in the 21st. How the he’ll did we get here

Because the identity politics fanaticism has colonised public discourse. Because the tactics deployed by these authoritarian zealots are to immediately accuse anyone who doesn't submit of hate speech. And if that doesn't shut them up, to embark on an orchestrated denunciation campaign aimed at destroying their career. From what I have observed, white liberals are so terrified of being accused of bigotry that they submit to the new orthodoxy. Also courage in this environment can have catastrophic consequences. It is truly bonkers. But here we are.

This is exactly what we said would happen. Women unable to define themselves as a group distinct from males.

Yes. Our 'brave new world' where the few are bubble-wrapped to protect them from a truth they find painful, and the many have to maintain the lie, at our own expense.

They didn't seem scared to me, so much as desperately eager to be seen to say The Right Thing. Some seemed worried when they couldn't work out what was The Right Thing To Say. Perhaps because they're knew that the truth was not it. Cognitive dissonance overwhelmed them.

How to define a woman
There's a way, said the wise old man

A way known by every woman
since the whole rigmarole began

Should I flatter him? She begged him answer
Should I threaten, or cajole or plead?
Should I woo or play the game? Romance him?
Said he smiling
No indeed.

How to define a woman?
There's a way let me tell you dear,
It's an adult human females.
The rest is a lot of fear

This reminds me of the immigration conversation. For a long time no one could express any concern about the levels of immigration (as in the numbers) without producing the Gordon Brown effect i.e. labelled a bigot or some sort of proto fascist.

Eventually politicians began to realise there was a conversation to be had and that expressing concern did not make you a bigot or ultra right wing, any more than expressing concern about self ID made you a TERF. Are we at last reaching a point where the conversation can be had? In the media yes, but among politicians where it really matters? Apart from the Monmouth MP do any of them have the guts to recognise there is a real problem?

I feel like I'm staring into the abyss.

If a woman is "anyone who identifies as a woman" or "anyone who wants to be a woman" then what are you marching for? Surely you could just identify as a man an all of the problems you are marching for would simply disappear?

Agreed applestrudels. One of the young women said it's a choice to be a woman and I wish he had followed up by asking why she had made the choice to identify into oppression. Why not just make the choice to be a man so all her problems would disappear?!

"How did we get here"

A bit disingenuous really.

Leftwing identity politics and Intersectionality.
Great when you are in the tent pissing out but unfortunately if you are GC you are now firmly outside the tent getting pissed on.
Hence the reason grown women break out into a sweat when asked on camera simple questions like this. That clip may have been edited but do a bit of research and you'll find scores of vox Pop interviews like this on YT with women at rallies and campuses and it's almost to a person the same response.
They know that one slip and their previous friends both online and itrw will drop them like a hot potato. It's not that unlike life under Stalin. Everyone scared to speak.
Just as with Greer you can have a lifetimes work fighting for women but you'll have nothing in the bank with these people. One wrong statement and you are flushed down the shitter.

Which is why they're all saying the right words out loud, but unconsciously looking away and shaking their heads, signalling their utter lack of faith in what they're saying.

As India Willoughby so sadly said on BB: even when people are made to say it, you can't make them believe it.

what the fuck is this shit. Jesus

*ThinEndoftheWedge

'How do you define a woman? - Adult human female

Can anyone be one? No by definition it only covers adult human females'.

I wonder if it is all part of what the Woke see as the ongoing battle between the oppressor and the oppressed. Any exclusive club (such as that of biological women) is automatically oppressive, and their knee-jerk response is that any boundaries that prevent the 'oppressed' from entering said club are illegitimate and must be broken down, no matter who the 'oppressed' are and regardless of any safeguarding concerns this could entail.

It's amazing the amount of damage you can do when you abandon common sense for ideology.

That sounds about right, Freespeecher. 'Exclusive' is being conflated with 'oppressor'. Error of logic.

Thanks, I'm just hoping someone who knows more about it than I do takes it and tuns with it :)

(Runs I mean. No barrels here).