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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The new Stonewall-drafted CPS 'Hate Crime' schools guidance

38 replies

jadefinch · 27/01/2020 12:47

It currently can only be accessed via a password-protected account and it's only available for schools and teachers. However, some who have seen it have been horrified by it and leaked it.

Among many other things, it states:

  • girls have no right to single-sex toilets and do not even have the right to express their discomfort about this.
  • lesbian girls who 'reject' biological males who identify as girls are committing a hate crime if the rejection is due to their 'perceived trans identity', and it calls on pupils to inform on each other when this happens (it doesn't define what 'rejection' means)
  • it seems to follow on from recent guidance that if a girl has a problem with a naked biological male in a changing room, it's up to the girl to find somewhere else to get changed

www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

twitter.com/AllianceLGB/status/1221489012873089025

The new Stonewall-drafted CPS 'Hate Crime' schools guidance
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Aesopfable · 27/01/2020 12:53

Once again a document that makes it clear that transwomen are NOT women.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 27/01/2020 12:59

My son's school is a Stonewall Champion and I am already find its Stonewall teaching material sexist, regressive, homophobic and factually incorrect.

This takes that to a whole new level of disturbing.

I hope this will be challenged, but in the meantime this sends a chilling message to young girls - male rights rule and you will be punished for asserting female rights.

Utterly terrifying.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 27/01/2020 13:25

@HandsOff

My DDs’ school isn’t Stonewall indoctrinated - luckily. Am vigilant... and the school knows I am aware of the issues.

What is the response of the other parents / children to the teaching?

Has any parent /child challenged the school / local authority re appropriateness/legality/equality provision? This is suggested by the safe schools alliance who have resources about this:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 27/01/2020 13:41

I challenged the school, to no avail.

Head thinks Stonewall is a reputable organisation and cannot seem to distinguish between sexuality and gender ID.
He refuses to acknowledge Transgender Trend due to the negative press regarding those bloody stickers (thanks Schools Week).

It's a secondary school - we were new to the area and don't know many parents.

I'm contacting the chair of governors next.

jadefinch · 27/01/2020 13:42

I don't think anyone is aware yet - AFAIU this only came to light yesterday

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SarahTancredi · 27/01/2020 13:55

I've read one that's been linked to on another thread and honestly I'm horrified . It doesn't appear to matter what the kids do because if someone else decides an incident is hateful then that's it.

All loads will take from it is let everyone walk all over me and out up with everything and anything cos otherwise they will think I'm homophobic/ transphobic.

If you are going to tell people that rejection or refusal to work with anyone because of their sexuality or identity or perceived sexuality or identity is a hate crime then at least define what you mean by rejection because otherwise that's just well...

Clymene · 27/01/2020 14:05

This is the same guidance which is being discussed on this thread: New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3804613-New-Year-New-Judicial-Review-CPS-Hate-Crime-Guidance-for-schools

Goosefoot · 27/01/2020 14:11

I've read one that's been linked to on another thread and honestly I'm horrified . It doesn't appear to matter what the kids do because if someone else decides an incident is hateful then that's it.

This may seem kind of unimportant, but what this really makes me think of is when my eldest daughter was just school age, about 10 years ago, there was a move here in schools to say that children who had birthday parties had to invite the whole class. Because otherwise, it would indicate preferences and leave some kids out, and they might be kids who were marginalised or bullied etc.

This ended up going by the wayside because it was so impractical, but there were a heck of a lot of parents who agreed with it in principle.

SarahTancredi · 27/01/2020 14:16

Seems an awful lot could he solved by just saying "no" to a child sometimes...

Reminding them that they aren't the only person on the planet that actions have consequences.

Why is the burden of maintaining a false reality falling to everyone else as opposed to the parents of the individual involved dealing with a situation.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/01/2020 14:16

lesbian girls who 'reject' biological males who identify as girls are committing a hate crime if the rejection is due to their 'perceived trans identity', and it calls on pupils to inform on each other when this happens (it doesn't define what 'rejection' means)

Blimey - so it's actually a guide on how to bully lesbians?

Aesopfable · 27/01/2020 14:28

Goosefoot that was my child at nursery - always left out of class invites. Of course, I demanded all the other 3/4 year olds were reported to the police for committing a hate crime.

(Actually, I spoke to the nursery about helping my child develop their social skills)

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 14:32

WTAF

stillathing · 27/01/2020 14:54

many of us here could see this coming a million miles off.

my heart aches for all the young people who stand to be damaged by the decisions made by a group of adults either too thick or too invested in a particular agenda to think of the genuine needs (not wants) of all of the children - be they female, gender non conforming, trans identified or not.

stillathing · 27/01/2020 15:00

and i am sorry but it IS sinister that the greatest push for the destruction of boundaries of women and girls is aimed at children. children who are impressionable BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS DON'T FULLY DEVELOP UNTIL THEY ARE 24. **please note i am not saying that trans people are behaving in a way that is sinister. twitter has many trans people who agree with the posters here on FWR. the majority of
the push for this very particular ideology which seeks to render the categorisation of humans by sex as meaningless seems to be coming from people who are not trans.

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 15:02

Posted this on the slang thread with regards to the police being captured:

And what's scary about the police being captured is that they're running operation encompass in a number of areas now.

www.operationencompass.org/

I wonder how they'd respond to a mother who is a transwidow describing the manipulation and coercive abuse she's experiencing to a police officer in confidence?

This project is currently top of our safeguarding toolkit in school. I threw a small internal hissy fit when the first slide show we were send was all about how women abuse men too.

To add to this; how will the respond to children of trans parents who are not happy and being involved in a fantasy?

Mayomaynot · 27/01/2020 15:03

Girls need to be taught that it is their right to say no to sex. Forcing someone to have sex they don't want - for any reason - is rape and THAT is a crime. It is their right to turn down anyone as a sexual or romantic partner, because every individual is in charge of their own body. It is their right to have sex segregated toilets.

These new guidelines? Grooming.

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 15:03

As detailed here:

childrenoftransitioners.org/

Stonewall silences them.

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 15:03

(The Lang thread)

Today’s daily dose of LangCleg sense www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3803858-Today-s-daily-dose-of-LangCleg-sense

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 15:06

Girls need to be taught that it is their right to say no to sex. Forcing someone to have sex they don't want - for any reason - is rape and THAT is a crime

Which is the teaching that Operation Encompass do; to be clear they actually do lessons in school around abuse and coercive control, domestic abuse but also manipulation etc.

WHEN ARE THE DOTS GOING TO BE JOINED?

SarahTancredi · 27/01/2020 15:06

mayo

Those were my thoughts. That it's a grooming manual.

Telling kids to.put up.and shut up.

Why is it anyone elses business who said no to who and why? Its between then 2 people involved not for everyone else to decide motive and report accordingly.

allmywhat · 27/01/2020 15:07

They are escalating fast aren't they? This and that BMJ article about how parents can't decline trans treatment for their children, so close together.

I feel like this all has to come to a head soon. Too many people are becoming aware of it, and it's just too outrageous. People don't like it when you come for their children. Maybe I'm just a sunshine and rainbows optimist, but I think the TRAs may have overplayed their hand.

Aesopfable · 27/01/2020 15:07

I wonder how they'd respond to a mother who is a transwidow describing the manipulation and coercive abuse she's experiencing to a police officer in confidence?

I think it is clear: they would arrest her for hate crimes and award her partner a position advising the rest of the force.

Aesopfable · 27/01/2020 15:08

BMJ article about how parents can't decline trans treatment for their children

I missed that, so you have a link?

allmywhat · 27/01/2020 15:11

Aesop there's a thread about it here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3806790-bmj-parents-don-t-get-a-say-in-treatment-of-minors

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/01/2020 15:14

BMJ: parents don't get a say in treatment of minors www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3806790-bmj-parents-don-t-get-a-say-in-treatment-of-minors