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Rape Statistics

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ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 11:51

So a male 'friend' is insisting a friend of his who was found guilty of rape and sexual assault against more than one women was 'set up' and is innocent really.

So I'd really like some statistics readily to hand on estimated percentages

  • rapes actually reported to the police.
  • rapes reported actually prosecuted
  • rapes where perpetrator found guilty

To try and highlight the actual percentage likelihood of his friend being wrongly convicted

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ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 11:52

Apologies I know some of the statistics are available here but I'm a bit rubbish at searches on here.

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NearlyGranny · 20/01/2020 12:02

Why? His mind is clearly already made up and he doesn't want pesky facts confusing him. People like this love wasting your time and energy expecting you to 'educate' them with data they will dismiss or ignore.

Save time and just cut him out of your life, don't try to coax him out of his echo chamber.

FearlessSwiftie · 20/01/2020 12:08

Agree with said above, you better save your time and just stop your communication. He doesn't want to be enlightened, he wants you to waste your precious time on convincing him while his mind is already made and is not going to change. So he just wants to have some fun.

Goosefoot · 20/01/2020 12:08

You could point out that it's very unlikely that such a thing would happen, and I would, but in the end I don't think that is why an individual can't believe someone they know would do such a thing.

It's the knowing that is the issue - they feel they know the person, and it's just totally not in character. Being framed may be highly improbable, but like Holmes said, if you eliminate the impossible, the improbable is what remains. So long as he can't see his friend that way, statistics won't help much.

It might sow some doubts though, that could grow if he begins to look at his friend from a new perspective.

SonEtLumiere · 20/01/2020 12:09

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/01/2020 12:13

He wouldn't stay a friend for long. Think what that says about HIM!!!!

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:16

I know that men are something like 300 times more likely to be raped themselves than to be falsely accused of rape

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:20

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

Doyoumind · 20/01/2020 12:25

He sounds like an idiot.

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:29

www.nb-research.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Responding-to-the-challenge-of-rape-myths-in-court_Nina-Burrowes.pdf

Here are a few things to get you started

I read someone here that included in the false allegations stats is cases where there wasn't enough evidence to charge, and those who retract the allegation. Believe me (I know) reporting sexual violence to the police is hard and the investigation and wait for justice is painfully slow. I can see why someone may change their mind and not want to go through with it. It also includes people who might have been put under pressure to retract (from an abusive partner). The actual prevalence figure is thought to be less than 1%x

Did you say his friend was convicted? For it to be sent to the CPS, the police have to believe that it more likely than not happened. For it to get to court the CPS need to believe they are likely to get a conviction. For any case to get to trial it takes so much evidence. And then the jury have to be sure BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that he is guilty, This is an incredibly high bar and most rapists walk free. That is the bigger injustice

user3575796673 · 20/01/2020 12:30

Rape apologists and enablers don't give a fuck about facts or statistics.

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:31

I really believe that rather than false allegations and false memory syndrome there is "false innocence belief" syndrome. It's easier to believe that your friend has been set up than come to terms with the fact that your friend is a rapist that looks like you and me, doesn't have 3 heads and he didn't sense anything was wrong. That makes the world far too scary

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:33

This is a really good video thar explains it

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:39

*that

PlanDeRaccordement · 20/01/2020 12:45

To try and highlight the actual percentage likelihood of his friend being wrongly convicted

To find chance of wrong conviction for rape you simply compare number convicted with number exonerated on appeal. You don’t need the number of rapes reported etc etc. I can’t find the statistic now, but swear it was less than 5% of convicted rapists are later found to be innocent.

LangCleg · 20/01/2020 12:50

Get him to watch this (he won't, you should unfriend, like, yesterday):

www.my5.tv/raped-my-story/season-2017/raped-my-story

Barearseloverofthigh · 20/01/2020 14:37

Thank you for recommending that Lang. Imo, a film well worth making and watching.

It's understandable that some men, initially, don't want to believe that their male friends are capable of raping someone. It's such a horrific thing. But i'd feel very suspect of a man who goes on to say that the victims made it all up. To my mind this is another act of brutality against the victim and men who do this are enabling rapists to get away with it.

CharlieParley · 20/01/2020 14:51

To add to the excellent points above, research conducted through interviews with convicted rapists as well as men in general, show that those most likely to rape or who have raped do not accept that what they did is rape. Their overwhelming conviction is that they had the right to force the woman, for any number of reasons. And there is no end of excuses, all of which are regularly used in defenceof alleged rapists in court.

I would cut a guy like that from my life PDQ. False accusations are already highly unlikely, a false conviction is rarer still. (And some convictions are overturned on appeal not because the guy turns out to be innocent, but because of procedural irregularities, denial of due process etc.)

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/01/2020 15:02

I agree with PP that your "friend" is unlikely to give any serious consideration to stats you find for him. He just doesn't want to believe it.

However you say his mate was found guilty of rape and sexual assault against more than one women and I think I might point out that whereas you do get miscarriages of justice they're very unusual when there are multiple convictions.

I mean a bloke might be wrongly convicted of murder but not a lot of serial killers turn out to be innocent.

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 16:55

Yep, he would have to be very unlucky to be set up by multiple women who presumably don't know each other.....

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ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 16:57

Thank-you all for your comments, I agree.

Toothfairy those links are brilliant thank-you

Honestly I don't expect to change his mind but I want to feel I've provided my reasons why I don't believe in his friend's innocence.

FWIW I'm in those statistics of not reporting being raped to the police. I don't want anyone telling me I owe/owed it to other women to do that. I was drugged by 2nd man, only have flashbacks with huge gaps in what I could remember and had no physical evidence. I wasn't prepared to traumatise myself further with a case that even if I was believed had no chance of going to court.

My not 'friend' doesn't know this and I have no intention of sharing this info with him. No one in my life knows.

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ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 17:02

toothfairy I understand the women did know each other, as it wasn't stranger rape. It will have been clear to the jury they knew each other and the police, cps and jury were satisfied there was no risk of collusion.

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