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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Department for Education on periods: 'person ... their ... their'

41 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 18/01/2020 11:50

And retweeted by the Conservatives.

Girls just no longer a thing, then?

Department for Education on periods: 'person ... their ... their'
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Kit19 · 18/01/2020 12:01

For fucks sake!!!!!!

Siameasy · 18/01/2020 12:12

Department for re education

WomanBornNotWorn · 18/01/2020 12:15

Compare to Prostate Cancer UK message

prostatecanceruk.org/

Women and girls linguistically erased

Men in capital letters

Department for Education on periods: 'person ... their ... their'
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WomanBornNotWorn · 18/01/2020 12:19

Here's McMillan on cervical cancer

www.macmillan.org.uk/information-and-support/cervical-cancer

Department for Education on periods: 'person ... their ... their'
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Chihaha · 18/01/2020 12:21

To be fair to macmillan, their take is that it's not just the person with cancer who is affected, it's their families and carers too. So a man is likely to look at the information.

WomanBornNotWorn · 18/01/2020 12:32

I have huge respect and gratitude for MacMillan.

I'm sorry that even they have fallen under the spell.

'Testicular cancer is more common in younger to middle aged men.'

'Each year more than 3200 people are diagnosed with cervical cancer.'

Department for Education on periods: 'person ... their ... their'
Department for Education on periods: 'person ... their ... their'
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Chihaha · 18/01/2020 12:47

Wow, I stand corrected. Why does it only go one way?

Kit19 · 18/01/2020 12:53

That’s the thing that winds me up so much @chihaha

Women have to give up everything even the right to describe themselves purely as ‘women’ to accommodate men and men as usual give up nothing

Starlink · 18/01/2020 13:19

But we all know what the wordi g means and whoHmm it is aimed at

WomanBornNotWorn · 18/01/2020 13:34

This is a giant subject, needs Big Research. Does anyone have the time? And sure as hell there'd be no funding for anyone who did.

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Helmetbymidnight · 18/01/2020 13:39

its fecking ridiculous - and all part of the ridiculous pretence that sex is unimportant/gender rules. does my head in that grown-ups, actual adults, come out with thiscrap.

Mockers2020Vision · 18/01/2020 13:44

As I noted earlier:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3798582-R4-Todaywatch

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/01/2020 16:41

Why can't we have women, girls and people? Why do the women and girls have to be eliminated? Exclusion. Which is always acceptable if the person you're excluding was born with female biology.

ACatWhoBinds · 18/01/2020 17:21

@Michelleoftheresistance I would've thought that's because women and girls come under the umbrella of people - they're already covered if not by explicit language. Not saying it's right or wrong, just an observation

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/01/2020 17:40

I think that's arguable, since 'people' explicitly moves away from women and girls to a mixed sex descriptor. Which is the political point. It's not a neutral action to women and girls. Who, let's face it, are 100% of the people having periods: this is a move to less than 1% of the population, male and female, who wish not to be reminded of their biological reality.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 18/01/2020 18:04

Risk of cervical cancer for all people included in the word ‘people’:

Key risk factor - female

Key exclusion factor - male

These idiots need to wake up. Agreed it is a political not a neutral act. Words and definitions matter which is why TRAs chase this.

They are happy to do so at the clear risk to the health and lives of young women. This is the depths of what we are dealing with.

Helmetbymidnight · 18/01/2020 18:54

people is kind of exclusionary too. can they not say beings? since my dog identifies as human.

Uncompromisingwoman · 18/01/2020 19:04

The Dfe have some very dodgy men in senior positions (the type who campaign to remove single sex toilets and force women to share toilets with men). Stonewall give them special awards for this. So we shouldn't be surprised when they also implement a policy of removing all references to women and girls in their publicity.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 18/01/2020 20:04

It actually makes me want to cry.

JulesJules · 18/01/2020 20:56

Some idiot on twitter has defended this - apparently not all people who have periods are female... Hmm

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/01/2020 20:57

Well it makes me Sad.

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/01/2020 20:59

And getting increasingly pissed off with this: female is a fact.

The word 'woman' ok, I'll just about accept this as a term that's been politically broadened, but female and male just are. I will accept that not everyone who has periods wants to call themselves women and prefer to identify as men. But no one on this planet in the history of the human race has ever menstruated without being female. No one. There's a difference between respecting identities and plain lies.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 18/01/2020 21:03

The Dfe have some very dodgy men in senior positions and a huge number of women in senior positions too. The DfE is following the civil service direction on inclusivity (which is unfortunate as it tends to erase women rather than include them) but they are relatively even handed with this - they erase men and women under the banner of 'people' and the staff receive a lot of training on LGBTQ+ to encourage this stance. I'm not defending it or saying it's right, but it's not just men that are doing this. A large number of the most senior regional schools commissioners are women.

Uncompromisingwoman · 18/01/2020 22:44

Thank you AndNoneForGretchenWieners for pointing that out.
I'm always disappointed to see senior women pushing this crap. Although I do bear in mind what would happen to those senior women's careers if they ever raised concerns / objections to any of this.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 18/01/2020 22:55

Email address of the MP involved:

[email protected]

If you want to contact her and give feedback.

Gov.uk webpage here - no reference to females or girls.