Can anyone explain to me (related to TRA)...

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... how the TRA movement can sometimes risk being homophobic?

I'm beginning to see clearly some issues with erosion of women's rights. I also saw a suggestion somewhere that some aspects of the movement could potentially negatively impact gay men or women, but not a full argument. Can anyone explain this further? Thank you!

(PS I blame Glinner. I was blissfully unaware of most of these issues till recently).

@Ereshkigal - interesting. If this is true, it suggests bias towards this in very powerful people (e.g., Google has strong links with American politics). Why might this be?

I accept that that’s your belief of it but just because you don’t accept that TWAW and TMAM it doesn’t mean that other people agree with you.

Most people do, however. You'll find that believing TWAW in particular is very much a minority belief.

"Some women have penises"

No "women" have penises

From that video

Most people do, however. You'll find that believing TWAW in particular is very much a minority belief.

Agree.

And the reason why we don’t hear from more from these people is because they are threatened with punitive damages if they don’t tow the line.

It may seem that it’s a minority who don’t believe if your evidence is FWR - this is one of the few spaces left for open discussion.

Google algorithms seem to me to be biased away from GC perspectives and towards TRA.

I thought tech and particularly Google has a larger than population average of transwomen staff?

I could be mis-remembering something I’d read. Google won’t help me find the unbiased truth if I’m right tho Does anyone else know more?

I don't know much in relation to the trans debate @GirlDownUnder. But I do know that the control over what we perceive as "truth", and over what are acceptable boundaries of debate, is hugely in the hands of Google - a relatively small number of people associated with unthinkable wealth and influence.

I've seen this in a number of areas, but wasn't previously aware of it in relation to trans ideology.

Google has a lot of 'unconscious' biases. For example, if you google "hands", look at the images it comes up with. Notice anything? They're predominantly white. It's not so long ago that they were all white, but this particular piece of bias was pointed out to them and it looks like they've attempted to counter it.

Ditto the GC/woke - these biases are not neccessarily deliberate, but reflect the biases of those who work on the algorithms.

Agreed @WhereYouLeftIt

However, I think we're very naive if we think that with politically charged material there's not some very deliberate systematic manipulation of "information". Problem is that Google is virtually impossible to escape. They've got it pretty much sewn up (pending the revolution....)

This is not a criticism of you OP but I am getting increasingly frustrated (within my own gay friends circle) that don’t (can’t?) see it as anything other than homophobic.

Imagine if your daughter said to someone “I think I might be attracted to the same sex” and the response they got was:

“That’s only because you were born in the wrong body and your brain isn’t working properly. Before this gets out of hand, take puberty blockers to stop your growth, bind your breasts and call yourself a man and make everyone call you a man too. You’re not really a lesbian, but you will make a very fine man.

FYI you will have to sleep with women who have penises from time to time, because they have validations too”.

Apologies if already mentioned - have only skimmed - but OP was asking for evidence of potentially gay children being steered instead towards being trans. Probably every single interview I've read with a parent about how they knew their child was trans contains shocking levels of sexism and homophobia. It is incredible that no attempt is made to disguise the homophobia, you'd think someone would say something. (Sexism seems fashionable again so less surprised). I don't have links but it's not hard to find these articles. Much of the media is enthralled with the idea of trans children.

Whilst outward homophobia is hopefully less socially acceptable these days, the world of children seems to have reverted to rather strict gender stereotyping. IME children, and some adults, police the choices gender non conforming children both overtly and subtly all the time. Whereas to become trans is to be celebrated (your school will buy in training which says just this) and also protected because nobody wants to be thought of as being transphobic.

police the choices gender non conforming children both overtly and subtly all the time.

This I find concerning, we seem to be going backwards on gender stereotypes. I was a tomboy, hated pink, but didn't seem to be a problem in the 80's because not all 'girls toys' were pink, and my parents didn't think there was anything odd about me preferring He-Man to Barbie.

I did have to wear dresses, which didn't go well with the tree climbing.

These days I wonder what direction I might have been pushed in.

This is all very enlightening. I guess if sexuality genuinely had nothing to do with impetus to transition there's no need to think any of this is homophobic. But if the rate of transitioning of children is far higher if they present as potentially gay, then we have a substantial potential homophobia problem.