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Sexism, racism and my opinion of Donald Trump

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AutumnRose1 · 12/01/2020 11:49

I've long said that I found old fashioned racism easier to deal with - say from the 80s. It was more like being questioned for the colour of your skin and things people associated with culture. But it seems to me, you answered the questions, people felt assured I wasn't "different", and then moved on and accepted me as English. Now it's "you are a minority, so you SHOULD think this way".

Recently I'm thinking the old fashioned sexism, much as I hate it, was easier to deal with that the kind of misogyny masquerading as something else.

And suddenly I am finding myself understanding why people voted for Trump. Initially I was horrified. But if it's really the case that TW can access women's domestic violence centres, that it's accepted widely that TWAW, that I am a TERF for worrying about mixed sex wards, that Elizabeth Warren and other politicians are so happy and excited about children having medical treatment based on sex stereotypes...

I think I now prefer old fashioned sexism too. It's so fucking depressing. How did we get here? Where "grab her by the pussy" is a better option than anything else?

and also I'm wondering...has anyone else felt this way about Trump and America? I used to spend a bit of time over there for work (c 20 years ago). Sounds like another planet from what I hear now.

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Goosefoot · 13/01/2020 14:29

What is super crazy is that it is the supposed leftists that can't understand how anyone could support any kind of protectionism! I think it's been a real coup on the part of the neoliberals, in almost one fell swoop they have convinced all these progressives that progress means unfettered capitalism.

BickerinBrattle · 13/01/2020 15:08

Goosefoot — American “progressives” know absolutely nothing about economics beyond the mantra “supply and demand.”

They don’t know how money is created, they don’t understand the role of banks in that, they don’t understand the difference between the reported unemployment rate (U-3) and the actual unemployment rate (U-6) — the difference being that reported unemployment rate doesn’t include workers who’ve been unemployed longer than 6 months, so called “discouraged” workers — they don’t understand what “trade deficit” means, they don’t understand why a govt. budget is not like a household budget —

And so they idiotically praise both Clinton and Obama for cutting the governmental budget at a time when the trade deficit increased. This is a basic accounting issue they don’t even understand.

All they have is identity politics.

And a conviction, against every statistical measure EXCEPT the stock market, that Obama made things better economically for everyone and therefore the fact that people in the Rust Belt are hurting can only point to their own personal failings (like not learning to code and moving to one of the coasts.)

The complete capture of ”progressive” politics by postmodernism in academia is utterly responsible for this.

One would think that the Great Financial Crisis would have spurred so-called “progressives” to consider that understanding economics and the financial system might be important — but no.

And since they don’t understand any of that, contrary to every statistical measure except the stock market, they believe that Obama improved things for all American workers. The corollary to this belief is that those who’ve fallen behind — those who are dying of what economists Case & Deacon called “deaths of despair — are suffering due to their own personal failings.

And since any policy they don’t like they call racist (such as protectionism) they also decide that those who advocate for such policies as alternatives to the harm they’re suffering from current neoliberal economics are also racist. Being racist, they deserve those deaths of despair.

It’s horrific thinking, really. I run into it all the time in the big “liberal” cities in the US. It’s also completely self-defeating, electorally speaking. Essentially, they write off the 70% of Americans who don’t have college degrees.

In the wake of the Trump victory, what I heard most often wasn’t anything like: well, we need to do a better job campaigning in Red states. Instead it was: the Blue states need to leave the Union and let the voters in the Red states rot.

AutumnRose1 · 13/01/2020 15:47

“ Essentially, they write off the 70% of Americans who don’t have college degrees. ”

Educational snobbery is a big problem here too. Some of the comments I heard during the ref were akin to “you shouldn’t get a vote if you don’t have a degree”. I have a post graduate qualification and still voted for Brexit.

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Goosefoot · 13/01/2020 17:40

Its not just the Americans who talk about any policies they don't like as racist, particularly any idea that isn't based on some version of free trade. The UK and Canada also seem to have the same attitude. I am continually flummoxed when Guardian readers, supposed progressives, take the view. And the Liberal party in Canada pushes it as well, as does the NDP.

It's exactly parallel to the claim that concerns about the movement of labour and instability in communities is racist. Somehow promoting your own industry above other nations isn't just a matter of a good or bad economic bargain. Instead it's a moral rejection of the Chinese/Hungarians/wherever that might want to trade with us, based on some sort of racist sentiment toward those people.

It's taken what was a practical argument into the ethical plain in a very weird way. It seems like anything that can be linked to open borders will now be treated that way.

AutumnRose1 · 14/01/2020 10:34

“ Somehow promoting your own industry above other nations isn't just a matter of a good or bad economic bargain”

It’s mad isn’t it? And in the UK, some of the people who hate Brexiteers will wail when a local shop closes down.

I was accused of being a “nativist” on one thread. Is it so terrible I want to support my country?

What is terrible is that in a toxic environment worldwide, we get some awful politicians- the only ones who can cope with the abuse - because so many decent people are scared to say what they think. And I don’t blame them. So yes, I now understand why Mr “grab em by the pussy” was the only option. Fucking hell.

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