Keir Starmer - GRA

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Speaks out on GRA
twitter.com/williamroney9/status/1213851098492133376?s=09
Is it just me but does that audience look underwhelmed?

I admit I'm surprised at how little I care.

I don't care either. The party, in its current state, is beyond help.

It's lost Scotland. It's lost the Red Wall. Women are decamping in their droves and are the next stage of their demise - and even after an election defeat that conclusively proved all this, they still aren't listening.

I've decamped. I'm past asking for compromise or even acknowledgement. I shall ignore them until they come to their senses and come to women with an offer worth having, not the scraps from the table. They need me. Frankly, I have no use for them whatsoever.

Until a leadership candidate has the guts to speak truth to the membership, Labour will remain in the electoral wilderness. If he doesn't really believe it but says it anyway - he's no leader.

He's a human rights lawyer who doesn't understand the conflict of interests between the rights of women and trans people.

Thats a bit of a gap in knowledge in his chosen specialist area...

Everything Lang said.

Dead duck, sadly.

Where are we with Lisa Nandy and her position on this?

Or is she keeping her mouth shut on the subject to avoid upsetting the southern middle class woke?

Where are we with Lisa Nandy and her position on this?

TWAW.

RedToothBrush
I don't want to derail but your comment about the southern middle class woke is just a bit off tbh.
Now if it were to say southern middle class woke blokes I could agree.

I imagine whoever Corbyn endorses will get in. If he ever gives a straight answer to who he endorses

Looking back to the selection of Ed Milliband (and I liked and voted for Ed) - but I seem to remember it being quite a shock that David didn't get in. That all seems a long, long time ago now! He was said to be the socialist/ trade unionist's favourite iirc.

Then Corbyn - taking the party into an even more socialist direction. Since then, despite many in Labour trying to oust Corbyn - they just couldn't shift him (still can't! Even now he's still there!)

On that ^ (very layman!) analysis I would say Keir Starmer will be a popular frontrunner, but no chance of actually winning, because he's not socialist enough?

So Kier Starmer apparently doesnt care about women’s rights as the opposite side to the coin he talks about on the video here.
Where he is saying trans people have had awful abuse and discrimination and been used as a political football.

While that may be true in individual cases (for which we would all call for better support for those affected and for redress for them), I really do hope Starmer doesn’t include women’s objections to losing out on our spaces, opportunities, reasonable expectations of personal safety, privacy and dignity, our right to name ourselves as women, our right to meet to talk about women’s rights without being abused or harrassed, our right not to be punched to the ground or sacked for not believing that humans can change sex.. I really hope Starmer is not referring to women’s objections as examples of this awful abuse or discrimination?

Because if he was, that would be highly misogynistic, authoritarian and anti-democratic. So... surely not?

I’m sure he’ll be clearing all this up soon by speaking about this topic again in the near future though in a much more informed and reasoned way..

Webchat perhaps ? Although that seems to be the kiss of death for any critical thinking skills the candidate might have had previously. I cannot think of a single politician who has managed an MN webchat successfully, made any sensible remarks on this subject or finished with their reputation enhanced.

MNHQ I don't suppose you'd consider inviting him in for a webchat? I know you don't like them being completely overrun with questions about any potential GRA reform, but there are still a lot of us on here that are Labour members.

Not only would it be good to find out where Keir Starmer sits on women's rights and issues generally (so not just GRA reform) but also, actually, as a likely potential future party leader. I think it's important to find out whether he (or other likely candidates) have done any reflection on the reasons why Labour were hammered in the election and whether they are actually planning to change anything.

Thank you! all round...

Actually I’m regretting suggesting that.

Something about the format seems to result in disappointing responses every time whereas a one to one with an engaged thinker such as KS might get somewhere.

Is it because we are all a long way up the curve on this issue? We have mainly been where they (interested bystanders and politicians who haven’t spent much time with the issues). But most us us have been prompted by some news story or another to look into it deeply and have subsequently spent many many hours reading and trying to understand. The problems with this ideology are so clear to me now because I’ve done so much work and read so many fascinating women’s thoughts on this. Yet I know that for many people they just don’t see it because they haven’t spent the time.

If we each had an hour one to one with a key opinion former we could probably turn the tide because once you’ve seen it you can’t unsee it. But we are not getting that time - Stonewall are.

Anyway I wonder if MNHQ should consider a different format for these chats. So we don’t feel cheated and they don’t feel ambushed.

There is about as much chance of a Labour leadership contender turning up for an MN webchat and being held to account on women's rights as there is of my tits unsagging.

The problems with this ideology are so clear to me now because I’ve done so much work and read so many fascinating women’s thoughts on this.

Yup. I've been heavily reading up on this since late 2017 - I'm sadly very well-versed with the issues.

When this first started coming up on my radar was around 2013 - from posts on the FWR board here - my first thought was "I don't care about that, live and let live."

Until it gradually dawned on me what was happening to women, children, lesbians, women's rights - things like Spartacus threads here, Caitlyn Jenner winning Woman of the Year, the vandalising of the feminist bookshop in Canada, Lily Madigan taking Women's Officer role, the assault on Maria M... all of this and so much more - it's been a drip-drip-drip effect. Not to sound bigheaded, but I wonder if there are any politicians as well-read on the subject as the FWR regulars here.

Clive Lewis on Newsnight just said that the problem with the Labour party is that both wings of the party (blairite and corbynite) have been guilty of top down policy making rather than grassroots policy making.

Best comment I've seen so far in the contest.

Very few I think. Lewis Moonie. David T Davies. Pitiful numbers.

Yes it was interesting to hear that. As I’m sure none of the grass roots labour supporters would be remotely interested in this and would certainly want to retain single sex spaces

Good point about doing the webchats differently. I just can't be bothered trying to engage public figures on Twitter any more.

It's worth noting though that women who have the ear of Westminster types, have said for some time that loads of MPs are sympathetic to our views, but just too scared to say anything. Which is cowardly beyond belief.

Was it on here somewhere that someone posted about MPs doing a cost/benefit analysis of issues they are prepared to speak up about? Evidently the cost to them is considered too high (which is daft given how few of the general population even know about this stuff, let alone care (hence the bemused faces in the KS video)

I agree that a MN webchat is unlikely to happen or be nuanced enough to be reassuring on this specific issue.

I’m sick of our elected representatives being apparently uninformed on this area, or vague about it, or cryptic, or scared, or sitting on the fence and trying to please everyone in this clash of rights (not possible to do).

Our MPs need to actually tell us what they think and what they plan to do about it. Some MPs will be happy to promote misogyny and sex stereotyping, authoritarianism and being anti science, we already know that.

But all MPs need to know thousands of women are concerned about this and that we will show support for them if they ask questions or call for debate, if they consult with women, or try to look for policy soliutions by involving women’s groups( or if they to speak out, eg around the problems caused by outdated GRA, by adopting self ID where law doesn’t support that, by perpetuating sex stereotypes, by not offering adequate mental health support for kids; by society not reassuring kids that gender nonconformity is normal and healthy and says fuck all about what sex they are... and many other questions besides.

It’s definitely worth all of us who can do so, writing to our newly elected MPs to start or re-start this conversation with them as their constituents. Also worth it for us to write to any politician who puts their head above the parapet to thank them.

If you are able to, making a surgery appointment with your MP that would be even better so that an informed, nuanced conversation can happen and the MP will start to gain confidence that there are solutions, that these issues can be resolved and is not jus a toxic area to be avoided.

What other policy issue are women expected to vote for candidates when they won’t declare their position publicly? It’s ridiculous.

Like many others on here, I wrote to all three major party candidates at GE time and did not get a single reply. It was a really good thing to do and I don’t regret writing at all but it’s still infuriating how politicians responding clearly to questions which substantially affect women is somehow seen as an optional thing for them to do, in an apparently functioning democracy.

Your post was just one stream of cliches. Not one fact, word of analysis nothing useful at all.

Whose post?

@cupwomenspledge (the people who started the Conservative women's petition) are asking women to write to their MPs. There is a template email available, if you contact them on Twitter.
Many women don't have time to put something together themselves, they just don't know where to start, so they can just add their name and address to the email (MPs are likely to ignore emails from people outside their constituency).
Or, they can adapt the email as they prefer, it just gives a starting point.
There are still many MPs who claim they haven't been contacted on this issue. We can fix that!

twitter.com/CUPWomensPledge/status/1214157442164150272?s=20

To b***to gender

Can you be more specific about your hyperbolic claim that Labour would be 'dangerous'

Can you be more specific about your hyperbolic claim that Labour would be 'dangerous'

I can.

Because of Momentum, and their Dear Leader mentality.

Because of deep-rooted misogyny and anti-semitism within the party.

Because of the intolerance within the party (again, Momentum) - of others' opinions, of anything other than hard-left politics. They are incapable of rational discussion (they just no-platform dissenting voices).

I voted for Corbyn in 2017 - but a lot happened since then. Couldn't vote for him in 2019.

How very disappointing.

You need to get real. No potential leader is going to alienate ANY potential voter deliberately.
I understand what you are saying but we DO need to live in, the unfortunately, real world.
Corbin was honest. Honest to the bone.
Had he omitted, obsfuracated (???), Or, dare we say, fibbed a bit, he may well have had the votes.
Politicsitics is shite. Choose the best of the worst.
Starmer is a great choice. I am not saying he is perfect, but I do have personal experience of him and he is actually extremely feminist.
I think we realism is needed. Want honesty? God knows who to vote for. Want reality? Make your own decision. I would go Starmer.

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