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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do women in their 20s generally think it's the victims fault?

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Twittlebee · 06/01/2020 15:16

A conversation about how to raise our children quickly became a debate about whether women are victims of inequality and discrimination today. I think I probably swayed it that way as I mentioned how anxious I am about raising girls knowing what females are more likely to have to face through life.

But what became apparent very quickly is that my group of 10 female friends blame the victim for their issues. Is this common thinking now among those in their 20s?

For example, one friend said, in response to me discussing fears about rape and using my own rape as an example, that she would ensure she raised her daughter to be as confident and secure as she is so her daughter doesnt find herself in that situation.

Another said the pay gap has been caused by women who dont know their self worth and men deserve higher pay because they're better workers. She also said she doesnt believe there really is a pay gap anyway.

There was an overall consensus that the pay gap is a myth and that women and men are equally as likely to commit sexual crimes and be victims of them.

Overall there was a lot of victim blaming. Including at how I mentioned being fired when I was pregnant was my own fault for not standing up for myself (not sure how I was meant to?)

Anyway, I was rather taken back and now thinking I've been living in a bit of an echo chamber as I havent openly discussed these views and concerns outside MN before. Is this the norm?

Do 10/11 women in their 20s really think that women's issues are caused by the individual woman? And are they right? Was I raped because my mum didnt raise me to know how to avoid that situation as a friend implied? Are men really just harder workers?

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flyingchip · 06/01/2020 19:29

Good luck, you should definitely get more when he has said that! :o remember to go high as he will negotiate you down :)

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 06/01/2020 19:34

I'm 25. I don't know many women my age who haven't been raped or sexually assaulted, myself included. Most of my female friends are very much into activism and will challenge anyone who says the victim has any responsibility for what happened to her.

I don't totally understand the pay gap despite trying my best so I steer clear of discussions regarding it, but I keep trying to learn and support those who know more about it in their attempts to challenge it.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 06/01/2020 19:37

And as for @Oksanna's post, that is a very similar situation to how I ended up being sexually assaulted. I was 15. Did I still bring it on myself?

ohwheniknow · 06/01/2020 19:40

This was a "friend" who told you to your face it was your fault you were raped?

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 06/01/2020 19:43

Having seen Oksanna's further comments I can't help but believe they're posying from under a bridge somewhere.

ohwheniknow · 06/01/2020 19:47

Meanwhile @oksanna has been on another thread espousing their Christian "values".

SidJS · 06/01/2020 19:55

Women are raped in Saudi Arabia.

Rapists cause rape. End of.

Kit19 · 06/01/2020 20:02

Re women not asking for payrises

www.thecut.com/2019/03/women-do-ask-money-work-salary-raise.html

References this research

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/irel.12214

Which days essentially it’s not that women don’t ask, they do, they’re just much less likely to get the pay rise they ask for

Kit19 · 06/01/2020 20:03

Says!! Oh for an edit button

flyingchip · 06/01/2020 20:08

@kit19 interesting but from managing circa 300 people so far that's just not what I've seen yet.

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