Prostate Cancer UK message: 'Men Man Men'

[WomanBornNotWorn]

If prostate cancer messaging can be completely clear - why can't the same be done for cervix/uterine/ovarian/breast cancer messaging?

Because we’re not allowed anything for ourselves. Although I do believe the Prostate Cancer UK twitter recently discussed that not all those who suffer from prostate cancer are male

My DH has prostate cancer so we are often in clinics (sadly) & Ive seen information posters before (& I cant remember the exact wording) advising anyone with a prostate should be aware of symptoms.

Because we’re not allowed anything for ourselves.

Except for receiving nearly twice the research funding for breast cancer compared to prostrate cancer.

*Diangled

Best of luck in the new year

Because men can be real men.
And transmen are just women anyways so they don't really matter.

It's only transwomen men that matter

Do you know how many women get and die from breast cancer, Pan? Often at quite a young age. More men die with prostate cancer than of it.

I know this isn’t the thread for it so I won’t linger. However my DH is 56 and will most definitely die from prostate cancer. It has already spread to his bones & lymph nodes. There is a massive effort to dismiss the myth that it is an old mans disease.
Pan thanks for the good wishes

nearly twice the research funding for breast cancer compared to prostrate cancer.

I loathe the pinkification of cancer and consider it harmful in many ways.

I think that there are valid arguments against the current screening recommendations for breast cancer in both the US and UK. The fact that there are universal screening programmes for breast cancer will never justify the implementation of very dodgy/unhelpful screening programmes for prostate cancer.

When it comes to funding, I don't know why it's allocated why it is. As BitofFun says, I don't know if it's because with the exception of cases like Diangled's DH, prostate cancer is still considered to be a 'die with' not 'of' disease. Breast cancer has become the equivalent of a chronic disease for many women (research money spent well?). However, 30% will have metastatic cancer that will affect liver, brain, bones etc. and these are increasingly the diseases that kill those women.

I appreciate that, Diangled, and I wish everything good for you and your husband, I absolutely do. I welcome the campaign to raise awareness.

It just rankles with me to be positioned as somehow privileged to have breast cancer because of the hard work people have done to raise funds for research. Mine is Stage 4 metastatic breast cancer, and I'm only in my forties- very much not read yet to die yet. I'll be fucked if I'm made to feel apologetic for the fact that women are receiving appropriate care for it, on the Feminism board, of all places.

Excuse typos: very much not ready to die yet, I meant to say.

Brava bitoffun

I hear you BitofFun & I agree. And actually so much of the research must overlap into each other. I follow several women with stage 4 cancer & notice their treatments are the same of some as DH’s. Hormone therapy etc.

FWIW Many, many men die of prostate cancer & that when we sit in the clinic it certainly isn’t just old men. Not by a long shot. One of the men that DH met whilst having chemo died in his early forties with it. The current research on testing etc is such a grey area & many consultants do in fact wish the screening was in place. It certainly would have saved DH’s life. His expectancy now is 12-18 months.

I do wonder though going back to the trans issue just how many male to female trans are diagnosed with prostate cancer. Given that the first thing that happens when you are diagnosed with PC that has spread outside the capsule is the removal of testosterone, I wonder if the instance is very low as these people will have had their testosterone lowered/ testicles removed as a matter of their transition.

There is a complaint that raising money for breast cancer research (I assume we're talking about charities etc and not just public money) is too successful?

And women (and men) should give their money to a different cancer instead?

Have I got that right?

Have I got that right?

I don't think it captures the spirit but I may be wrong. I think there's a little 'Whataboutery' in play. However, I'm aware that this is a fair way away from the OP so I apologise in general for participating in the offshoot conversation and dragging in the lack of evidence base for universal screening.

No it wasn't you it was the poster who originally mentioned the disparity in funding, implying that women are privileged and it's not fair.

Screening progs have a lot of issues for sure.

BOF I'm a serial name changer been here for years, I am so sorry to hear you are ill.

Just read my post back & BOF I’m sorry you’re unwell & wish you all the best for the New Year. It’s a shitty journey that’s for sure. Sending very best wishes.

I do wonder how many trans & NB people so refuse to acknowledge their sex that they avoid looking, self-examining and seeking routine screenings or help for problems?

Maybe in the future, wordings might evolve as 'women, including trans men and non-binary people of the female sex' and 'men, including trans-women and non-binary people of the male sex'.

(Side thought - I wonder if a transman would be more likely to request a male HCP to do a smear test?)

Unsure if the funding disparity is accurate but would having men being reluctant to get checked out have any bearing? The men I know are awful for getting medical help for anything.

Thank you, Diangled - I sent you a PM earlier too x

Unsure if the funding disparity is accurate but would having men being reluctant to get checked out have any bearing? The men I know are awful for getting medical help for anything.

Funding disparity is likely down to successful campaigning. Most areas of medicine and treatment are weighted heavily in favour of men for a number of reasons.

And as another poster stated, with cancer treatment, it’s perfectly possible a breakthrough in one area may improve treatment of other cancers.

I think when an area is properly funded, we shouldn’t grudge that unless money is being thrown away on something unimportant, which doesn’t apply here.

Women give more to cancer charities that men do, so it’s really not our fault! Men need to step up and donate more, they’re more wealthy after all.

Women walk the walk, literally. They talk about their breasts, get checked out more and get out and raise money for breast cancer. Please stop blaming women for being successful.

My husband died of prostate cancer at 52. When he was diagnosed, he decided to raise as much money for men’s cancer as he could, because he said if he could save just one man from dying or just one family from going through it, then he won’t have died in vain. He raised quite a few thousand in each campaign. Even he used to get fucked off with people bitching off about less funding for male cancer. As he said, if you want more money for men’s cancer, get off your arse and do something about it. Stop expecting women to do it for you.

Trans women do have a lower risk of prostate cancer post surgery due to removal of testes and their hormone treatment.
Sadly, they tend to be diagnosed with metastatic disease.
They generally seek help late due to previous negative interactions with health care providers.
I don’t know the answer to how to reach this group of people.