LBC this morning

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Nick Ferrari covered the JK Rowling mess this morning on his breakfast show. He has often covered trans issues as one of the few broadcasters who can see this movement for what it is.

Sharron Davies was on and was superb putting her case with clarity and in straightforward language as usual. He agreed with every word she said.
Then came the editor of Diva magazine Carrie Lyell who was embarrassingly bad and folded under any questioning from Ferrari. She claimed that transpeople are being murdered every day. And agreed that Maya should be silenced.

Sunlight is a great thing and people are listening. Thank you JK Rowling.

That comment doesn't make sense. There's no evidence that trans people are being murdered at higher rates.

We - as Lang states - the FWR regulars have been over the trans murder figures, which have been wildly exaggerated many times.

For clarity, 331 murder victims who at the time of death identified or presented as trans were killed in 2018. Of that 130 were in Brazil. One victim was in the UK, which matches the figures in the Uk since 2008.

(I am not sure if that Naomi Hersi has a GRC but the killer, Jesse McDonald, 25 met Naomi on a swingers website and he has been jailed for a minimum of 20 years +30 months for perverting the course of justice).

This doesn't compare to the two women killed in the UK every week but of course it's not a race to the bottom.

All the murderers were male so if anything this points more to male pattern violence than who the victims were and why, although you could stack these up against the circumstances of the murders which would show a disproportionate % of prostitutes (I don't use the phrase sex workers), many of the murderers were in intimate relationships with the victims as are a number of murderers who have killed 139 women last year.

I think it's 127 women so far this year, happy to be corrected if that's wrong.

Not being able to applaud Ferrari for highlighting an issue such as this and giving Sharron Davies a platform is illogical to me. It would reduce us to the same level of sophistication shown by trying to "cancel" JK Rowling because of her views on one issue.

I'm not sure I can think of anyone with whom I agree with on every single issue I am interested in.

I absolutely agree with posters who say that this very binary (ho ho) view of political issues as either "good" or "bad" is stifling debate in many more areas than just FWR, and nuance is lost. I think it's a very unhealthy way to view the world, as few things can be reduced to such simplicity.

I think that's looking through the wrong end of the telescope. I've moved away from thinking that a person must be disregarded if they can be shown to have a bad idea while, at the time in question, they're speaking about a good idea.

To me it's a question of ideas, good ones and bad ones, and not people (supported or cancelled). Once it becomes about filtering out people who are beyond The Pale you've got something like Momentum.

Amen to that! For example James O'Brian and Owen Jones. Both can be absolute gobshites who think they're always right but I agree with some things they say and not others. Shamir Sanni was admirable with his whistle blowing about Vote Leave but he's also getting into slagging off JK about this trans thing which I disagree with. We're not all perfectly right or absolutely awful and deserve to be cancelled.

Sorry, bold fail in first para.

@marvellousnightforamooncup James O Brien is a prime example. Agree with him on many (most?) things but he's crap on this issue (and I also find his tone quite provacative and sanctimonious around Brexit meaning that he is unlikely to convert many Brexit leaners).

Prawn you miss the point, I’m saying women are being murdered daily world wide, doesn’t matter a fuck to their murderer that she may well identify as a transman or non binary or a fricken unicorn, all that matters is he knows fine well she’s a woman and therefore he thinks he’s entitled to do what he pleases to her.

Apologies Vmisa I didn't read your post that way earlier but I get it now. Indeed, gender identity doesn't matter a bit when your rapist knows you're a woman and is going to rape you because of your biology.

Off toothpick, I know, but 'marvellousnightforamooncup' is a great name. Chuckles over that, up our end.

Paris Lees was supposed to go on this today apparently, but cancelled because she doesn't want to debate her existence or some similar bollocks.

Come on Paris, we all know its because when it's all laid out in the sunlight and someone forms even a hint of a coherent argument against you, you won't have a leg to stand on.

No problem holy, I’m not always the clearest.

It’s just the whole trans people are murdered at such high rates argument seems to miss the point that a fair chunk of those trans people will be women, so of course they are being murdered but it’s because they are women not because they are trans or nb or so on (because really how many trans men or nb women look anything other than a women in jeans and a hoodie-so like all of the rest of us women then). We can’t identify our way out of the reality of being a woman, so when trans people murder rates are brought up that needs said also imho, along with the stats about how for men transing reduces their risk of being murdered.