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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Rape is gender neutral" - Kevin McGinty, Crown Prosecution Service

27 replies

Uncompromisingwoman · 18/12/2019 19:04

The awesome James Kirkup with a depressing piece in which he highlights that the head of the CPS ( Kevin McGinty ) states that "Rape is a crime that is committed primarily by men against women. However, it is also perpetrated against men and boys, so in this report we refer to the complainant and the suspect as “them” or “they”, because penetrative offences are gender neutral.

McGinty of course won't give a toss - presumably if the CPS can join the police and the Ministry of Justice in eradicating all sex based data about rape then these misogynistic organisations can ignore the issue and their failure to prosecute all these "gender neutral" rapists.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/now-even-rape-is-gender-neutral/

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WeeMadArthur · 18/12/2019 19:13

Eh? Sure, penetration of either sex ( or any of the multitude of genders, if you prefer) can happen but it needs to be done by a person with a penis. I suppose you could argue that the gender of the penis could be varied, but unfortunately for his argument, the biological identity of the penis is always male.

refusetobeasheep · 18/12/2019 19:45

Incredible

SidJS · 18/12/2019 19:51

Frightening

DetroitDReindeer · 18/12/2019 19:51

Depressing.

Gizmo79 · 18/12/2019 19:53

I feel like giving up. This is pathetic. Really- rape is gender neutral?
No, only penises can tape, therefore it is always a male crime. Doesn’t matter who the victim is, the offender is always male.

BarbaraStrozzi · 18/12/2019 20:18

Is it bollocks!

This is "but women do it too" raised to the level of flat-earthism.

sarahjconnor · 18/12/2019 20:20

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ErrolTheDragon · 18/12/2019 20:26

There's very little of substance which isn't 'gender neutral' - but many things which are sex specific. Rape (as defined in English law) is sex specific as to the perpetrator but not the victim.
By all means refer to perpetrators as 'they', if we're using pronouns to denote 'gender' rather than sex.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/12/2019 20:29

What a complete and utter cockwomble

What a fuckwit...

Uncompromisingwoman · 18/12/2019 20:55

It shows the totality of regulatory capture when allegedly educated people can come up with crap like this.

It is also very frightening for women and girls.

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SophoclesTheFox · 18/12/2019 21:32

That makes for grim reading.

Voice0fReason · 18/12/2019 22:39

All rapists are male.
Nothing neutral about that fact.

myduckiscooked · 18/12/2019 22:41

Okay maybe I’m being thick but I read that as him saying rape victims are not always female. Rapists are always male. No?

theflushedzebra · 18/12/2019 22:57

CPS has been well and truly captured. What he's saying is not in line with legislation.

Uncompromisingwoman · 18/12/2019 23:09

myduckiscooked
He quite rightly says that men and boys can be raped. That's important to recognise. But in the words of those captured by this misogynistic woman hating ideology, he cannot bear to state that suspects are male - he wants them all called them or they as 'gender neutral' terms. Evidently reality, truth and the law are of secondary importance to the CPS as they pursue this men's rights agenda .

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Knewmee · 18/12/2019 23:09

He’s really muddled.

He’s quite right that men and boys can be raped. And that this is a reason for referring to the ‘complainant’ (in a general report about the prevalence of rape, not when referring to an individual) as ‘they’ (though ‘he or she’ would be easier).

But he goes on to suggest that for this reason the ‘suspect’, in a report of this type, must also be referred to as ‘they’. However that reason cannot apply to the suspect. It only relates to victims (sorry, complainants). Kevin has gone very wrong by not thinking rigorously.

In reality, the only reason Kevin can possibly have for referring to the ‘suspect’ as ‘they’ in his report is that he believes women can have penises and use them to commit rape. Raping lady-penises.

If Kevin thinks that, he should come out and say so openly.

I have assumed Kevin is a man. But perhaps he identifies as a penguin. That would explain why he appears incapable of reasoned thought. Really depressing. Both for women’s rights and for what it says about the capacity of civil servants for reasoned thought.

anxioussue · 18/12/2019 23:23

Ffs. Rapists are always male. That will never change. Tossed.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 18/12/2019 23:32

James Kirkup always writes with such clarity.

Saturdaycartoon · 18/12/2019 23:41

Any lawyers on? Is the Law unusual in international law in requiring a penis for the offence to be rape?

As I understand it, not the case elsewhere. Irish law, for example:

4.—(1) In this Act “rape under section 44_ ” means a sexual assault that includes—

(a) penetration (however slight) of the anus or mouth by the penis, or

(b) penetration (however slight) of the vagina by any object held or manipulated by another person.

Saturdaycartoon · 18/12/2019 23:42

Cross out fail when I cut and paste the law.

OvaHere · 18/12/2019 23:53

More covering up male violence and male pattern criminal behaviour regardless of who it's directed at (although overwhelmingly sex crimes are committed against females but we can't have that pointed out can we?)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/12/2019 00:11

That's not what British law says, mate, given that a rape conviction requires a penis.

Clymene · 19/12/2019 00:18

Men rape. They don't necessarily care whether their victims are male or female. But only men do the raping because only men have the penises.

bd67th · 19/12/2019 03:50

Why did Keir Starmer have to become an MP? He was a great DPP amd wouldn't have spouted this kind of nonsense.

bd67th · 19/12/2019 03:57

Ah, the idiot is the chief inspector of the CPS, not the DPP. I still think Starmer should have stayed DPP so he could give the CI's head a wobble.