New Women and Equalities Minister?

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Being reported by fairplayforwomen but I can't find any other source.

Therese Coffey in apparently.

I can't see her name mentioned for this position on either the BBC link upthread

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49043973

or here

www.gov.uk/government/ministers/minister-for-women-and-equalities--3

Are we sure we're not jumping the gun?

I did double check this story last night and it seems many of the main stream media only think it important to mention she is now Minister at DWP. Women and Equalities post has always been a second job. But you would like to think the media would bother to do proper reporting.

And (although they may have just copy and pasted from mumsnet!) the queeer media are starting their questioning of her appointment. attitude.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-new-women-and-equalities-secretary-voted-against-equal-marriage-1/22483/

Whoever gets the job, of course their record on LGB rights should be scrutinised, and there's no doubt that someone with her voting record would be an odd choice. I just don't think it's right to casually label people homophobic simply based on how they voted on the same-sex marriage bill. MPs have to be able to scrutinise and debate the technicalities of new law without it automatically earning them a -phobe label.

According to Rob Jessel she was horrified at the thought of 'transing the gay away'. If true, that's a huge positive, although imo the ROGD inquiry needs to be tasked under health, not equalities.
The GEO's current de facto position is TWAW. They are happy to lump lesbian women in with males who identify as lesbians. Someone needs to rein it in.

There were lots of rumours circulating over the weekend re. new appointments, most of which turned out to be wrong. A reshuffle isn't expected until February.

According to the BBC article Women's and Equalities is still with Liz Truss. Think it's changed from when I looked at it last night.
Not sure if there might have been confusion with Pink News article which was from Sept and merged Coffey replacing Rudd at DWP with taking on Women's and Equalities.

This was on the BBC yesterday.

But it's not there now...

My interpretation of that speech is that Coffey is someone who small c conservative, but who has a care for not blithely creating unforeseen consequences, and in relation to self ID and the GRA, I think that is just what we need. We know the TRAs want to rush this through before anyone realises what is happening, and to counter it we need people who refuse to be rushed.

I do think that some of the Equalities legislation has been poor and poorly worded hence the wriggle room for Stonewall et al, and leaving too much up to the courts to decide and the onus on the discriminated against to enforce their rights where it should have been provided for in law, so in some ways I think I could be agreeing with her. I am not sure I would on much anything re education, benefits, the economy etc. But even if I disagree there I would rather have people who govern in a considered manner rather than kneejerk and woke.

Agree with purported. I don't know anything more about her but if some accusations of homophobia re same sex marriage are anything like the accusations of transphobia then I can see why she felt the need to justify herself as not homophobic, even if it reads a bit awkwardly now. People are worse than ever for believing sound bites.

It looks as though the BBC might have made a cock-up without fact checking first.

some of the Equalities legislation has been poor and poorly worded hence the wriggle room for Stonewall et al, and leaving too much up to the courts to decide and the onus on the discriminated against to enforce their rights

I've long thought that the legal draftspeople were given a complete muddle to write into law and they did a reasonable job in the circumstances. If the thinking on which law is based is ill-formed and full of contradictions while free of logic, this is the kind of law you get.

It looks as though the BBC might have made a cock-up without fact checking first.

Oh nooo, I was getting all hopeful.

The Express (just Googled first news link) says TC retains DWP but has had W&E added on, Truss is Sec of Trade.

Published this morning at 9.30.

It looks as though the BBC might have made a cock-up without fact checking first.

I think you might be right. I am sure that's where I saw it last night.

But have checked the .gov.uk web site and Liz Truss is still listed.

But makes an interesting possibility that attitude magazine and others do create articles based on the content of mumsnet threads!

Aw, bless 'em. Hate women, but still can't stop hanging on mum's every word

Still Liz Truss was considered a reasonable woman for dealing with the conflict between women's rights to single sex provision and trans people's desire for validation.

I think it’s totally wrong for this brief to be held by someone who is against equal marriage

Agree with this.

Also women and equalities need to be separated and given to two different people because their rights are now sometimes in direct opposition

I see a conflict here on FWR: the whole point of GC is the right to criticise and hold alternative beliefs.

What the what, now?

Birdsfoottrefoil, could you say what you mean by "GC", please.

Because I've been using it to stand for "gender critical", ie the position that gender is a social construct rather than an innate set of behaviours and abilities fixedly predetermined by biological sex.

For that meaning, being GC involves criticising or holding alternative beliefs the way gardening involves getting on a train: you might do the one in the pursuit of the other, but they're not "the whole point."

Indeed, if "the whole point of ABC is to hold alternative beliefs", then me, say, holding the alternative belief that men have uteruses would be a good example of ABC.

So, I don't quite understand what you mean.

This looks like the Express link

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1218188/Boris-Johnson-cabinet-changes-who-is-in-conservative-government-reshuffle

and another cock up, as Coffey is listed as retaining the role - but she never had it in the first place

Sloppy journalism.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meet-boriss-babies-theyre-young-fun-and-working-class-qr59rrhrp?shareToken=7bb7b762ae09c5b70e8de36490347fa2&wgu=270525_54264_1576577658476_ff79915fb3&wgexpiry=1584353658&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

Article about the new young MPs. One says they want to change the GRA.

That Express link is copied almost directly from the BBC one I linked to last night, which to me still lists her as W&E like the screenshot I posted.

Arf at Attitude though - come on lads, seriously! Their ‘source’ is a tweet by Juno Dawson - Juno almost definitely got it from us. Hi Juno! I read your Dr Who novel. It was alright.

Hi Juno! I read your Dr Who novel. It was alright.

pmsl.

I was liking this..

If posters here had some reservations about someone who appears to be socially conservative, TRAs would have had many more.

And her Civil Servants who appear totally ‘captured’ would have been treading very carefully indeed.

It would have been a clear statement that the issue had been kicked into the long grass. Sometimes a pendulum needs to swing back in order to end up in a position of equilibrium. And my god we need a bit of push to get back to common sense in the police, schools, prisons, girl guides, public sector, academia, and and and.

And no, no one is going back on gay marriage. But she may be the woman prepared to understand the difference between sex and gender, and separate the LGB from the T.

She's not a good MP for people who are struggling. My friend is disabled and is struggling with the poor bus service in our area. She tried to get Coffey to help, who told her she shouldn't live in the countryside if she can't drive.

Sometimes a pendulum needs to swing back in order to end up in a position of equilibrium. And my god we need a bit of push to get back to common sense in the police, schools, prisons, girl guides, public sector, academia, and and and

Precisely. Reading the threads about what is being taught to primary children about gender is astonishing. There has been a 3200 per cent increase in young girls presenting for transition. Teaching kids that girls prefer pink and certain books is limiting, restrictive, gender conformist nonsense. This misogynistic ideology has colonized significant parts of the state apparatus. It’s way past time someone completely unafraid of woke hysteria called time on this pernicious BS

There's still nothing on the GEO page - usually changes of ministers are amended quite quickly on the website.

She's also anti abortion. I don't see much to celebrate here whether it's Truss or Coffey.