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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Rooney accused of peddling "terrorist propaganda"

77 replies

Igneococcus · 16/12/2019 06:29

In the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rachel-rooneys-childrens-book-my-body-is-me-labelled-anti-trans-extremism-szrr6gsxr?shareToken=b4e7de24dabf0f975f89feeb4d6432df

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Clymene · 16/12/2019 13:04

Oh yes I see that it does say Published by TransgenderTrend in very small writing on the page with all the publishing details on it.

Well there you all, hate speech in a nutshell Hmm

stillathing · 16/12/2019 13:19

Often in interviews one reads that a now trans identified teen or adult felt they couldn't present or be a certain way; it was just not accepted by their parents /school / peers. This would undoubtedly be traumatic. With all the advances in mental health knowledge, shouldn't society be trying to eradicate the cause of this trauma: the rejection of the child for its personality. Instead it's like this trauma has been made sacrosanct, only the child must reject itself, its own body, in order to be acceptable.

I'm trying to think of anything analogous. Perhaps if I felt that my getting trauma informed care as an abuse survivor (difficult!) were contingent upon my promoting sexual assault as a right of passage for all teenage girls?

*NB I'm not equating trans identities with sexual abuse. I'm merely using an example close to me

Datun · 16/12/2019 14:27

I hope transgender trend starts suing for all these defamatory slurs.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/12/2019 19:52

One of the replies to Vulliamy's tweet rant was:

Kids must be allowed to have bodily autonomy, including gender identity and expression. This is a fundamental human right. Denying them this is child abuse.

I believe this a fairly common argument amongst TRAs. I'm surprised that they are unaware that this is the same argument used by PIE, and that by inadvertently aligning their cause with PIE they do their own cause great damage.

Children don't have full bodily autonomy for good reason.

Galvantula · 16/12/2019 20:08

That was the bit I tried to quote badly. Just wtaf eh?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 16/12/2019 20:08

Datun agree. I would like to see all the organisation defaming transgender trend trying defend their position in court.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 16/12/2019 20:09

If anyone from transgender trend is on here; I am sure many of us would be happy to help dig your hole for this.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 16/12/2019 20:12

Thanks for the reminder to pick up a copy from TT. I had intended to get some of their other material so I stuck a book in my basket and a tenner donation. As an aside, I can't believe their materials are printed - I assumed (and was perfectly happy) since they were free it would be a download. I'm super impressed.

nauticant · 16/12/2019 20:47

Just to shed some light on Clara Vulliamy's position on this issue:

twitter.com/ClaraVulliamy/status/932734008563257345

ScrimshawTheSecond · 16/12/2019 20:54

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

UpperLowercaseSymbolNumber · 16/12/2019 21:09

I bought a copy and found it a lovely, sweet book. You have to look hard to find the reference to Transgender Trend on the inside cupboard. As o read the book o couldn’t help thinking that if people are getting their knickers twisted at this normal, wholly inoffensive book, they need to give themselves a good talking to.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/12/2019 21:12

Nope, sorry, you don't get to destroy someone's career because you have a trans child and an inability to manage adult emotional self regulation.

Melroses · 16/12/2019 21:22

Nauticant - it seems like going to these events sucks out all your normal empathy and critical thinking skills.

It reminds me of my days in the Pentecostal youth group where people started off perfectly normal and fun, then they went Confused

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/12/2019 21:27

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

What choice do these parents have - once you have gone down this path you can't afford to have any doubts - if you do then you have to start considering that you may have assisted or even encouraged your child to completely fuck themselves up. How are some of these parents going to feel if their child desists in ten years time with their body infertile and irreversibly altered.

SarahTancredi · 16/12/2019 21:31

Except people who actually believe it dont feel the need to actively threaten people who dont. They go about their day safe in the knowledge they are doing the right thing for their family.

All this, well it's all a bit, what is it they say...misery loves company.

WrathofFaeKlop · 16/12/2019 21:31

Ordered a copy and made a donation.

Done.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 16/12/2019 21:38

Yep, Itsall. They've fallen into the cult at just the wrong time - a few years earlier and it wasn't like this; give it a year or two and the whole pink and blue circus will be in glittering ruin.

smileylottie87 · 16/12/2019 21:48

Sharron Davies has tweeted about the book too Smile

Whatsnewpussyhat · 16/12/2019 22:48

Just ordered a copy. Don't even need one.
"Terrorist propaganda" my arse.
Xmas Grin

Cooroo · 16/12/2019 23:06

Ordered a copy which I will donate to my community library.

Voice0fReason · 16/12/2019 23:28

I have my copy, added a donation too - sounds like transgender trend will be picking up lots of small donations from this book.

The book is just lovely. Nothing remotely anti-trans in it, it isn't even mentioned.
I don't even need the book, I just wanted to buy it to see what it was like. I will donate it to my local nursery.

FernPotts · 17/12/2019 08:09

A girl close to us has had a double mastectomy and started on testosterone. I do feel slightly sick at the thought of her starting to realise what she has lost. I absolutely get the urge to shield her from seeing other viewpoints now it’s too late.

That’s not a hate book though.

UpperLowercaseSymbolNumber · 17/12/2019 09:20

I want to write to Rachel to thank her for doing the book. Would through per agent be the best approach?

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 17/12/2019 12:44

I think so - that’s whose details she has on her “contact me” page Smile

Lamahaha · 17/12/2019 13:10

Those of you who have read it could leave reviews on Amazon smile maybe that would encourage them to get stock/ be useful to people looking it up.

For a book to be sold on Amazon the author or publisher has to deliberately place it there. However, I just checked and it is possible to leave a review even though the book is not sold there. Here's the link: you just go to the Product Details segment and you can review it under the ISBN.

www.amazon.co.uk/My-Body-is-Me/dp/1527251543/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&crid=1KWMR2PRWAYC3&keywords=my+body+is+me&sprefix=my+body+is+me%2Cstripbooks%2C251&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1576587934&sr=1-1

Amazon very rarely censors controversial books. Lots of books aren't placed on Amazon for various reasons, not the least of which is wanting not to pay the retailer commission. Some people actively boycott Amazon.