Boris Johnson comments on GRA - Q&A with Pink News

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Hardly worth noticing, but for info PN asked:

Why weren’t reforms to the Gender Recognition Act included in the Conservative manifesto?

We are carefully considering all responses to our consultation and the next steps. These will be announced in due course. It is vital that the next steps on any potential reform of the Gender Recognition Act are carefully planned and have the right backing, so they can have a positive impact on the trans community in the UK.

We had more than 100,000 responses to our consultation and have met with 140 organisations to ensure that we have taken into account views and concerns from all sides of the debate.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/10/general-election-stonewall-lgbt-foundation-consortium-letter-unite-government/

That's a rather careful statement. How very un-Boris Johnson-like.

It’s a good sign from the Tories, a totally scripted kick into the long grass. One pol put 80% of Tory mps not in favour of self ID I think the penny has probably dropped with most of them.

Good, at least we can thank the conservatives for one thing.

I wouldn't be so sure - watching carefully for what follows next week, post election. None of them are to be trusted.

I wouldn't be so sure - watching carefully for what follows next week, post election. None of them are to be trusted

The Conservatives should be explicitly against self ID. They should be making a commitment to sex segregated spaces and investigating why there has been such a dramatic increase in young girls transitioning. It’s ridiculous that no party is prepared to openly challenge the agenda of this lobby group

Good advice OhHolyJesus
I received some awful letters from different ministers when asking about children and safeguarding. Full of narrative about vulnerable trans children, not an iota of concern about girls or safeguarding and a worrying focus on how inclusive mixed sex toilets were for children (no doubt written by a creepy civil servant) but still signed by a minister. Some of them are full on TWAW.
BUT, recent events have shown them that not being able to identify what a woman is plays badly with the population generally and with an increased concern about unsuitable adult groups accessing children in schools to peddle their ideology and self ID, hopefully there'll be a shift

I agree Bovary Liz Truss has talked about keeping single sex spaces but Boris is essentially talking about next steps. I don't trust any politicians and we know how many organisations and institutions have been captured. I've basically lost faith in anyone giving a shit about women and children. If we want to protect our kids we are going to have to do it all ourselves. I have no answers or ideas, I'm just waiting to hear the announcement that it will hit the floor when Parliament reopens. Of course it will be all about Brexit, but what a distraction that will be for everyone so it slips under the door whilst no one is looking.

but Boris is essentially talking about next steps

He’s a buffoon. And I say this as a Conservative. I would like to see a Conservative who actually had the bottle to articulate some Conservative principles. I would prefer Larry the Downing Street cat in Number 10 on Friday than any of the muppets running....

but what a distraction that will be for everyone so it slips under the door while nobody is looking

I have a horrible feeling you’re right about this. If Labour, Lib Dems, SNP form a coalition? Self ID and whatever else the lobby wants is a done deal. But even if the Conservatives get in, there’s no guarantee. It’s in the lobby’s playlist to exploit political chaos or instability.

I would have thought that the most powerful elements of the cross-dressing community were Establishment Tories, hence the mess we're in today. They've been using transsexuals to legitimise their fetish.

I think that, if the Conservatives had truly decided against introducing self ID, they would have published the results of the consultation. The government's own guidance state that they should do this within 12 weeks. See link below and yes, I've posted this before - I'm like a dog at a bone with this at the moment.

The guidance may not be legally enforceable but I think ignoring it without giving a sound reason is anti-democratic and it tells me the conservatives are no more to be trusted on this than any party.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/691383/Consultation_Principles__1_.pdf

Dunno. The GRA was passed in 2004. Seven years into a Labour government. Whittle’s influence showed he was well established with the government. Lord Filkin, Labour, was instrumental in displacing sex with gender, thus leading to the current quagmire. One of the most fluent objectors at the time? Lord Tebbit. But now? The Conservatives haven’t got the bottle to say we’re tossing this BS out.

Quite honestly they're the only hope. At least they've been squeamish about charging ahead with reform. All the other parties will impose self id and fillet the Equalities Act. At least with the Tories there's a chance of forcing a more balanced approach. They just dont want controversy during the election.

Sex cannot be changed. It is no good the Minister shaking his head. Sex is decided by the chromosomes of a human being. So far as I know, there is no law nor any known medical procedure that can change the sex of a human being. The Bill purports to do so. It is therefore an objectionable farce

That’s what Lord Tebbit said about the GR Bill in 2004. I wonder which Tory would have the bravery to say that today?

the next steps on any potential reform of the Gender Recognition Act are carefully planned ... so they can have a positive impact on the trans community

What about everyone else??

If they had published that consultation as they were supposed to - I think it's pretty clear what the results were - it would have given them the perfect get out. And while it wouldn't have been game over, I think it would have made it very difficult for another government to try and override it, at least for a few years. I feel very uneasy about the way they've gone quiet about it.

I feel very uneasy about the way they've gone quiet about it

Floisme what do you think is the reason for their silence? Who was involved in the consultation? Why is there always so much secrecy and ‘behind the veil’ machinations? It doesn’t bode well

What if they did debate it before Christmas, wouldn't there be some kind of uproar?

The MSM have been reverse ferreting all over the place recently, it would certainly get coverage (grateful to Swinson for all the floundering and fluffing about this week, excellent work), wouldn't there be an a public outrage?

I imagine all the men and women up and down the country who have not been exposed to what it means yet, I realise we all know here and a fair few men and women aren't bothered but when the reality hits and the full facts about puberty blockers, the silencing, the hidden cameras...isn't it all too much to expect the general public to accept and just go along with their day?

I say this not being a household that will suffer the true impact of Brexit. We don't rely on food banks. I realise others have bigger priorities.

Maybe it's Austerity that is the bedrock of all this after all...

I wish I knew BovaryX but I have a bad feeling about it. They've sat on it for a whole year when you'd have thought it would have been fairly easy for them to say, 'We consulted and we've listened to the people' and to withdraw with their dignity intact. It's as is even they don't dare take it off the table. Why that should be I really do dread to think.

I wonder, would a well written FOI request to the Cabinet Office yield anything about the fate of the consultation responses? Someone somewhere must have discussed it.

I wish I knew BovaryX but I have a bad feeling about it. They've sat on it for a whole year when you'd have thought it would have been fairly easy for them to say, 'We consulted and we've listened to the people' and to withdraw with their dignity intact. It's as is even they don't dare take it off the table. Why that should be I really do dread to think

It’s bloody outrageous. What happened to ‘transparency?’ I tell you what it is, it’s craven, political pandering. The aggressive tactics of this lobby have been incredibly effective. This is maybe the reason for radio silence. But it’s not acceptable. And this is supposed to be the Conservatives!

'That's a rather careful statement. How very un-Boris Johnson-like.'

This.

Tbf, the current Cabinet has only been in office since July and they've been totally preoccupied by Brexit and the ongoing Parliamentary shenanigans. Those clearly weren't the right circumstances to deal with a consultation. Better a delay and a considered decision than a monumental cock up.

I am honestly not normally a conspiracy theorist. I think the moon landings really happened and that Diana died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. But when even the Tories, with a consultation of 100,000 responses behind them, won't row back from this publicly and then when Boris Johnson starts choosing his words carefully, then I do start to wonder what they're afraid of.
In the words of Butch Cassidy, 'Who are those guys?'

That's a rather careful statement. How very un-Boris Johnson-like.'

That’s because Johnson won’t have said those words. Someone else would have written it.