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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian social group under attack

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thatdamnwoman · 05/12/2019 10:20

I occasionally attend a lesbian social group that meets at a couple of local venues each month. It was started a few years ago by a woman who invited a group of friends and acquaintances and has grown to several hundred women. Maybe 20-50 meet at any one time and it's mainly word of mouth or the occasional 'How about meeting at XX? on Thursday?' type stuff via FB.

So far it seems, barring one odd encounter, to have been lesbian and bi women only, with the odd attention-seeker asserting themselves as non-binary and being tolerated with a lot of eye-rolling. Now a couple of those who attend once in a blue moon have gone on the attack and demanded that transpeople not only be permitted to attend but that the woman who started the group and administers the FB page add T to the description of the group and add a statement welcoming transpeople.

You're here on Feminism Chat, so you can imagine how it's going. Three lesbian TRAs telling everyone who doesn't agree that they are stupid and terfs, half-a-dozen non-feminist women saying 'Let's just be lovely and welcome anyone/everyone who turns up to our lesbian event' versus a couple of older radfems with nothing much to lose saying what we say on here every day. And then 300+ lesbian women sitting at home watching this play out in dismay and wondering whether they next time they turn up for an evening with the lezzers at the pub they're going to have to sit next to someone with a beard who wants to talk about their new life as a woman.

The TRAs are saying it's illegal under the Equalities law for lesbian women in a friendship group that meets in public places to exclude transpeople. I am sure it isn't but when I turned to a couple of people who I thought knew more than me, they started saying 'Ah, well... it's a grey area' and then seem to tie themselves into knots.

Is it? Is there any reason a bunch of self-selecting people who use the title* 'Xtown Lesbian and Bi women's social group' and meet voluntarily in public places are legally required to add T to their title?

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FannyCann · 05/12/2019 18:25

There are gay clubs and social groups which clearly state they are not open to trans men. The gay men who administrate these don’t seem to get attacked and accused of acting illegally. If you are a volunteer social group you can administrate it however you like.

Here's a classic example of gay men not giving a fuck about risking hurty feels to trans men.

http://www.back2stonewall.com/2018/07/gay-male-facebook-group-refuses-to-accept-trans-men.html

Lesbian social group under attack
Ereshkigal · 05/12/2019 18:27

I love that guy Wine

PurpleHoodie · 05/12/2019 20:00

Give that man a Wine

Someone up thread suggested changing the name of any new group to something like "Rebecca's friends". And making sure it is noted this is a private friendship group.

The relevant laws involved with these scenarios I should imagine would be laws related to harrassment.

So, you ladies arrange to meet. Some random blokes turn up. You say "Leave us alone" They tell you to "fuck off" and "you will accept us sitting with you" You call the police and report them for harrassment etc etc

The police could charge them for other offences such as threatening behaviour (exacerbated by threats to lesbains) or disturbing the peace etc

If they persist, they could be slapped with restraining orders.

Just thinking what has been effective professionally speaking.

Dolorabelle · 12/12/2019 16:45

Is there any reason a bunch of self-selecting people who use the title 'Xtown Lesbian and Bi women's social group' and meet voluntarily in public places are legally required to add T to their title?*

No.

Dolorabelle · 12/12/2019 16:49

I've got friends in this group who are also thinking that we need to be bold and start an explicitly female-only, lesbian-only, gender critical group so that women have the choice

This is when I wish I were lesbian ... Grin I hope it works out. Have fun!!!!

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