The whole “ has fallen” thing.....

[somebrightmorning]

Feel free to check out my posting history. I happily expect most of you to either not give a shit or disagree. Just a minority report.

I think the “has fallen” thing is weird. Fallen from what? Grace with God? Paradise? When was this mystical past when the “fallen” organisations (reminds me of “fallen woman”) were so pro-woman? Except in the case of girl guides that past never existed.

Maybe people find it useful shorthand to indicate the kind of thread it is?

As you were, I’ll watch the tumbleweed go past.

Fallen = succumbed to an ideology. HTH.

In agreement, I tend to ignore these posts now as they’re just a wee too dramatic for me.
Organisations haven’t fallen to a mythical onslaught. They are not blameless or overwhelmed. They simply don’t give a shit and have chosen to disregard women’s rights to safety and champion men’s fetishes and kinks instead.

It’s a pop culture reference. It’s a joke.

It’s a pop culture reference. It’s a joke.

Ok, rather like the whole ideology we’re having forced upon us then. A silly, irrelevant joke.

Would that the ideology was a joke. Far too damaging for that. But it doesn’t stop us having a little fun with the work we do to unpick it and shine the light on it. And a few jokey thread titles do help.

It’s like the Bunbury ones: they are jokey but also deadly serious and important.

organisations have not fallen to a mythical onslaught

There is nothing mythical about the onslaught. It is a well funded, highly organized campaign to intimidate, bully and ultimately silence anyone who questions the claims of this lobby group Maya Forstater, Harry Miller, Dr. Louise Moody. This is a Stasi like assault on freedom of speech. The institutions which have been colonized included universities and the police, government agencies. The link below describes how these lobbyists are determined to conceal their activities from public scrutiny It is profoundly anti democratic

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

It is a reference to a very silly and insanely violent series of films in which a psycopathic Irishman wanders around shooting lots of people who have shot lots of people.

As an objection, it's similar to the people who get upset by the term joyriding: "Don't call it that! It's Death -Riding!!!!" as if that would make a difference.

I'd prefer gone Woke to has fallen. But not enough to make a bloody thread about it.

Fallen = openly stating that trans women are welcome to use their female changing rooms to try on clothes. In private cubicles.

Like the fall of the Roman Empire isn’t it.

I must have missed the whole explanation of why/what/who Bunbury is about, but the "has fallen" thing is a useful thread title shorthand for me to see what new organisation or retailer has decided to give up supporting women in order to appease a few men with a special feeling in their heads.

I think the first post basically nailed it.

"... has fallen to an ideology".

You're entitled to find the phrase "weird" or object, but I think it sums up what is happening pretty clearly.

They're all falling, one by one. Resistance and protest is needed right now.

Companies are never your friends and they are going to do what they think will generate the most profit, unless they have a very eccentric owner who is rich enough to not care anymore. If public opinion turns I’m sure the companies will follow but a business will rarely do anything out of the goodness of their heart

a business will rarely do anything out of the goodness of their heart

But a business will capitulate if the alternative is to being relentlessly besieged by a Twitter mob screaming about hate speech. That’s been a very effective, deliberate tactic

Lol I know. It's a bit strange. The whole 'fallen', dramatic wording thing, is because women feel like they're in a battle, a race right now. A lot of women are concerned that instead of seeing society progressing, we're actually regressing. I reckon what's happening right now if the biggest thing that's happened to women's rights for quite a while, so forgive the wording if you don't like it.

It's another word for 'folded', in a way. These companies are folding or have fallen to trans pressure groups in some way. Actually, trans groups don't have to be involved at all - I think a lot of companies are terrified of the backlash if they decide to keep single sex spaces so they willingly toe the line. For some companies it's about posturing. For others it's about fear.

Is this the tumbleweed you envisaged OP? Come on, where's your debate?

Fallen = openly stating that trans women are welcome to use their female changing rooms to try on clothes. In private cubicles.

Openly stating that males are welcome in female changing rooms. Let's not obfuscate, eh?

openly stating that trans women are welcome to use their female changing rooms to try on clothes. In private cubicles

Nope. That doesn’t cover it at all. It refers to the institutional capture which is suffocating freedom of speech and thought and allowing bullies to hound people out of their jobs for daring to state a belief in objective biological reality. Did you read the link? To the sinister tactics of this profoundly undemocratic lobby and its attempt to ram through policies without scrutiny?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

Feel free to check out my posting history.

How?

I don't like the "has fallen" thing. If I had seen it on a TRA twitter thead, I'd take the piss out of the drama of it all.

I don't like to give TRAs the satisfaction of the same.

You can advance search a poster.

or type their username into google and add mumsnet.

Thanks!

I don’t like the fact that a secretive lobby group have colonized the apparatus of power and are trying to ram through radical policies without public scrutiny Whilst their internet wing are trawling social media to threaten and bully anyone who objects. Wittering on about ‘fallen’ and semantic red herrings seems an almost deliberate attempt to miss point. I wonder why?

Wittering on about ‘fallen’ and semantic red herrings seems an almost deliberate attempt to miss point. I wonder why?

Or maybe they just asked a question because they're worried it doesn't portray MN in the best light? Not everything is a conspiracy. I've resigned up today as I take myself on and off MN for my own MH fairly often but I've been here since the days of Dittany and I still have found it a bit embarassing. People are allowed to have opinions.

Wittering on about ‘fallen’ and semantic red herrings seems an almost deliberate attempt to miss point. I wonder why

I don’t see this thread in that way, just an observation someone had made that others agree/disagree with. Doesn’t lessen the damage done by companies/ individuals who silence women it simply highlights that weakness and capitulation shouldn’t be used to excuse the behaviour. As the thread has shown- for some of us ‘fallen’ is read differently to others and for me, its been interesting to read other viewpoints.