"Schools told all lessons for five-year-olds should include gay and trans themes"

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"Voluntary" guidance from Stonewall:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schools-told-all-lessons-for-five-year-olds-should-include-gay-and-trans-themes-2tqblg8hh?shareToken=3ef5f878c2cff99ee913ca279929e248

I've seen some real bitter and hateful old women on here in previous threads about trans issues and it's disturbing.

Minnie, just to be sure who you're talking about could you please define the word "woman" without using the word woman in the definition?

Thank you.

You can be born in the wrong body

You are entitled to hold this religious belief minmin, but you cannot force others to believe that we have a gendered soul which can be born in the wrong body.

I think we should push rigid sex stereotypes to small children. That way as soon as they display any gender non conformity we can get them on a medical pathway for the rest of their life. You hateful bigots. Yes I know that means throwing 80% of those kids, who would end up being happy as their own sex, under a bus. But hey! Hateful old bigots! Are you actually literally nazis? Ooooooof!

Body modification this way comes no closer to changing sex that a few piercings and tanning pills do.

I believe there are people that have taken tanning pills to such a degree they appear black...does that make them black and in turn allow them to appropriate black culture and black oppression minmin?

they're not allowed to be who they feel they are meant to be?

Lots of us believe that gender non-conforming children should be who they feel they should be without telling them they can change sex. I was one of those children, I wish someone had told me it was fine to like stereotypically boys things and still be a girl and be great as I was.

I have ordered 4 copies of this book and I will take one into my kids school and talk to the head.
Gender non conforming kids are not automatically trans, and the over simplified way it's shown as such in those stonewall resources is dangerous. And some seriously sexist shit.

www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/

Sorry, so cross I forgot the link!

My kids already know men can marry men and women can marry women and they already know everyone should be able to wear and do what they like and be free to do so without being laughed at or bullied.

But kids should not be taught about this wrong body nonsense. Theres a reason they r picking schools for that and not old peoples homes.

They are all perfect just how they are. And i wont tolerate being my kids being told " call the he/she or they will.kill themselnes"

Or manipulated into not being allowed any boundaries under the guise of "inclusion"

I teach a much older age group and the confusion on this issue is frightening. I have started to get assertions like 'men can have babies, miss' and other such nonsense because of the rubbish that is being put out there by various media outlets and organisations.
How are these kids supposed to square that with what they learn in biology - facts vs fairytales?
5 year olds do not need to be told lies about being born in the wrong body and changing sex.
I am all for teaching them about same sex parents but this homophobic and damaging ideology must be left at the door.

It just means that if they come across someone like this is their lives it's not to be judged or hated upon

Except none of the material seems to be about doing this? It seems instead to be about recruiting children to a particular belief system.

My child is atheist but friends with a lot of Muslim children and a few Christian children - reflective of the local population. His school is excellent at preventing bullying and promoting community cohesion.

With so many competing beliefs existing under one roof, it doesn't achieve that cohesion by converting all the children to one of the belief systems. You can teach children kindness and tolerance of difference/different beliefs, along with the fact some families have 2 mummies / 2 daddies. It should not be the role of a school to teach the children to believe in a specific religion, gendered souls or gender stereotypes.

I've seen some real bitter and hateful old women on here in previous threads about trans issues and it's disturbing

Yes those old bitches standing up against the homophobia and racism of the trans loons. How fucking dare they? Long live the penis!

the transphobia on this website is abhorrent

Stonewall's insistence on pushing anti-scientific, misogynistic, homophobic stereotypes on children too young to defend themselves is abhorrent.

My friends grandson came home from reception recently very worried that he was really a girl, thanks to a conversation had earlier in the day.

His teacher had clumsily touched on gender and gender roles leading to much confusion.

Absolutely we need to ensure that littlies know that two mummies, or two daddies, or one parent only is fine, families come in a variety of shapes.

Putting the idea in kids heads that their body may be ‘wrong’ - categorically NOT.

Teachers who are not standing up to this really annoy me. It is a hill I will die on and lose my job should I have to.

I'm so fucking glad my kids are of an age that we missed all this.

Interrupting child development to destabilise in aid of an ultra-libertarian, hyper-capitalist, sexist, racist and homophobic adult political movement masquerading as a neo-religion. It's an outrage. We don't live in a genderist theocracy.

(Also: what Red said on page one.)

Teachers who are not standing up to this really annoy me.

In your experience, what proportion of teachers are supporting this ideology? I recently discussed this with 3 other women (2 of them ex-teachers). The only one who was supportive of the way trans is being pushed in schools was the one who had the most recent experience of working in a classroom. The other two had only recently come across the phenomenon of children deciding they're the opposite sex and thought the whole idea was insane.

Yeah, koshkat. An older ex-teacher in our family was sceptical that this could ever be an issue in schools, because as he saw it surely no teacher would ever agree to teach it? He just couldn’t believe that it could ever take hold. Surely they could complain to their union, he said? He’d have resigned over it, he said (he would have, too, but honestly I think in his day it couldn’t have come to that...)

Perhaps working on the teaching unions might be a fruitful avenue?

@shiveringtimber So should all five year olds have single parents then? Otherwise how would you stop them finding out about heterosexuality?

This is where the conflation of LGB and the T has brought us......it was always going to be retrograde for the LGB. Trans ( in its contemporary form) is not a sexuality or sexual orientation - it is an ideology enforced onto vulnerable young people, as well as a convenient refuge for older people with certain fantasies and fetishes gone rogue.

Great for 5 year olds to hear that some families have two mums or two dads. And any child who's ready to draw the inference that this may be relevant for their own life as an adult can do so. But all this needs to be presented as about the adult world.

Young children don't need to know about sexuality. What they need to know is that love and liking are good things that can make you feel happy; and that you can love and like all sorts of people. That's enough for a five year old. That is where they are at.

I work with 3/4 year olds and they absolutely need to start to learn about sexuality.I have had a fair few children with same sex parents and we always touch on this when we talk about families

And I have a four year old grandduaghter, and used to be a teacher myself.....All that such young children need to know is about loving and liking. Not about sex or sexuality, per se.....that is an 'adult' concept.

ultra-libertarian, hyper-capitalist, sexist, racist and homophobic adult political movement

This. Under a veneer of 'but we're teaching about some people being gender non conforming and gay and having same sex parents!' so it looks like no decent person would question it. Like the rainbow laces campaign which looks like it's about supporting openly gay sports people, but is actually about the destruction of women's sport. And the mention yesterday about 'women's rights not being affected by religion and culture', which is actually about setting the ground to exclude women who won't undress around males and have a very inconvenient protection in law. Do they seriously think people won't get wise to this positive herd of Trojan horses cantering around?

Plus: anyone remember in New Labour's era when they stuffed the curriculum so full of Right On messages global warming to programme the next generation that the kids were doing it constantly in multiple lessons? And because of this, the kids got completely fed up, brassed off with it and bored with the whole subject, and groaned the second it was mentioned?

ultra-libertarian, hyper-capitalist, sexist, racist and homophobic adult political movement

Ooh and anti consent. Forgot that bit.

Why is there this need to have children validate an adults sexuality?
It's creepy and stinks of indoctrination

Absolutely! This is my feeling too. This is horribly insidious and boundary eroding.