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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"I will not suppress my views on gender, says Joanna Cherry, SNP hopeful"

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Igneococcus · 23/11/2019 06:53

I didn't know there was a full page ad against her, Joan Macalpine and Jenny Marra in The Herald yesterday:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-will-not-suppress-my-views-on-gender-says-snp-hopeful-lm738vzbb?shareToken=181e4ac0bc30eb04ac6a55f9b5ebe38d

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BuffaloCauliflower · 23/11/2019 09:50

She presents her thoughts and views so well, well done to her.

Also intrigued by the decision to write these in Scots. Is there a rise in its use for political discourse that I’ve missed as a English southerner?

MockersFactCheckMN · 23/11/2019 09:58

I think the resort to lallans is a nationalist thing, a bit like Gerry Adams droniing on in incomprehensibly bad Irish.

TooLateThePhalarope · 23/11/2019 10:01

Took me a few minutes tae work oot Anent=an end to

"Anent" doesn't mean an end to. "Anent" has various meanings but putting an end to isn't one of them.

In this context it is being used in the sense of with respect or reference to; in regard or relation to; concerning, about
See example below.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/13106347.war-of-words-about-anent/most Church legislation is given a title such as "Act Anent Discipline of Ministers".^ ie an Act concerning the discipline of Ministers not putting an end to the discipline of Ministers.

TooLateThePhalarope · 23/11/2019 10:03

"Anent" and "thereanent" were standard terms in legal correspondence up until fairly recently.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/11/2019 10:07

'anent' is described by the dictionary as an archaic Scottish term meaning 'concerning, about'.

Well, that's something learned. I wonder if this ad will have the intended effect?

VinandVigour · 23/11/2019 10:11

Trying to read that ad, with a southern accent, I felt like I was one of the English airmen in a Scots version of Allo Allo!

iguanadonna · 23/11/2019 11:04

There was me worrying that some of the men campaigning for trans rights might be a bit, I dunno, a bit not great at seeing women as people who ought to be taken seriously in public, a bit frankly old school chauvinist piggy. But now I see that they're totally focused on equality and not at all obsessed with pushing women out of politics or getting us sacked from our jobs.

XXMansplainShieldActive · 23/11/2019 11:15

Scots my arse, that reads like a poorly writ manifesto post google translate. As we say around these parts, git tae France ya bam.

TeiTetua · 23/11/2019 15:34

It's a revival of attacks on "The monstrous regiment of women"!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Blast_of_the_Trumpet_Against_the_Monstruous_Regiment_of_Women

Ohwhatatangledwebweweave · 23/11/2019 22:47

Interesting to read that anent is an actual word. I have never seen it till today.

PsuedoSatisfactionBaby · 24/11/2019 11:14

Joanna Cherry is my MP. I think she is amazing. But Scottish independence terrifies me more and as such cannot vote for her. It kills me.

RadicalFern · 24/11/2019 18:58

Another of Joanna Cherry’s constituents here, Pseudo. I feel just the same! :(

BlackForestCake · 24/11/2019 19:55

I think you need to see the bigger picture. Joanna Cherry being elected or not elected will not make a great deal of difference to the likelihood of Scotland becoming independent.

But if she loses her seat two things will happen:

  1. MRAs will start shouting "see, transphobia loses us votes". The impression will be created that trans woo is popular among voters.
  2. The MRA wing of the SNP will be massively strengthened in morale and the GC wing will lose one of its most articulate figureheads (MPs have more authority than ordinary members, that's just the way it is).

Cherry only has a majority of 1000 and misogynists in all parties (including some in the SNP) will be trying to ensure she loses.

XXMansplainShieldActive · 24/11/2019 21:50

Cherry and McAlpine need all the support they can muster to make a point with their own party!

Please vote for them if you can, their opinions matter greatly.

iguanadonna · 24/11/2019 22:00

Cherry has been an incredibly effective anti-Brexit MP. And if there's one thing which makes Scottish independence a cert, it's Brexit. So I'd definitely risk giving her my feminist vote.

Gingerkittykat · 24/11/2019 23:03

Why have they written it in Scots? Has it become more common in this kind of discourse? It just seems to obscure their point a bit.

Nope, there are a few articles written in Scots dotted around but it is not common at all and annoys a lot of people. I love the lowland Scots language in spoken form but still struggle with the written form.

Does anyone have a link to the Herald where it shows the ad? It must have cost a fortune to have an ad like that in a national newspaper, who is funding it?

TooLateThePhalarope · 25/11/2019 01:12

I don't care what Cherry has to say about this one issue. I hope she loses.

TooLateThePhalarope · 25/11/2019 01:18

Cherry only has a majority of 1000 and misogynists in all parties (including some in the SNP) will be trying to ensure she loses

Or people who don't support separatism are trying to ensure she loses? In 2015 she took the seat with a big swing from Labour with Conservatives third. In 2017 there was a big swing from SNP to Conservative but not enough to get her out.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/11/2019 09:36

If I had the good luck to have Joanna Cherry as my MP I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. As the SNP are pretty certain to remain the majority party in Scotland, both in the UK Parliament and the Scottish Parliament, I can't see that losing Joanna Cherry as an MP would affect the likelihood of another referendum one way or another.

I'm an expat Scot so I can't vote in any independence referendum. In Indyref1 I'd have voted against independence. Now I think I'd vote for it. The SNP are far from perfect but the rest of the UK is in an even worse mess.

Babdoc · 25/11/2019 09:48

Iguanadonna, Brexit definitely does NOT make Scottish independence a certainty. A third of SNP supporters actually voted for Brexit!
And as Scots see the shitstorm of trying to split from the EU after just a few decades, they are beginning to realise how many orders of magnitude worse it would be to split after 300 years from the U.K. - our biggest trading partner (60% of all Scotland’s trade, as opposed to 15% for the whole rest of the EU)
I would never vote for any SNP candidate, however GC they were- it would risk giving Sturgeon an excuse for yet another expensive (£6 million) and divisive referendum on independence.

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