Campaigners for gender recognition law should avoid media

[Macareaux]

Worrying

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/campaigners-for-gender-recognition-law-should-avoid-media/5102234.article

And in some parts of the world

The article is about the UK.

Any male, of any gender, can use facilities set aside for males. Transwomen are already protected in law from being denied entry to eg male’s toilets, male sporting event, male changing rooms, or from accessing health on male wards. They have as much right to a family life as anyone; no one has a right to a baby or to require another individual (female) to use their body for their benefit.

What do you mean ‘right to recognition before law’, the law knows people exist?

Right to recognition before the law - as in the right to recognition in their professed sex? As in a GRC? That exists. A significant process is currently required to get one in the UK, just like it is required for marriage, a passport, a driving licence.... Given what a GRC means, it seems remarkably cheap and easy to get one.

I am quite an extremist in this area and don't think the GRC should exist, as I regard gender identity as essentially a nonexistent 'thing' that shouldn't have legal recognition, and biological sex is unchangeable. But I acknowledge that I am an extremist, that this is the current law and I have no problem with that, nor would I prevent anyone from trying to get one, obviously. I will fight very hard to prevent the GRA from being 'reformed' so that there is no process involved in asserting that you are now a different sex. Luckily now that problems have emerged in Canada and are emerging in Ireland with reduced GR processes, this seems less likely to happen.

checks beans

They're in the fridge, so it's fine.

I mean that everyone has the right to life. That's not a trans right as such.

some parts of the world trans people are raped and killed

While every death is tragic, you will be relieved to know transwomen are murdered at a rate lower than any other group. In terms of risk of murder they are pretty much the safest group in every country.

I'm struggling to find the stats on this, but I did look at sequential stats showing that African American men would be so, so much safer from homicide if they transitioned.

in some parts of the world trans people are raped and killed

Is this a reference to south american prostitutes?

Oldcrone even they are safer than other groups eg. men or women.

The general murder rate in Brazil is shockingly high

- Right to non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity

What does that mean then? Can you give an example of this kind of discrimination? Cos I think it’s already covered under the Equalities Act

- Right to private and family life
Yes, again in what way does being trans prevent someone having these things in the same way a non trans person could?

- Right to recognition before the law
Recognition of what? Can you give an example?

- Right to health (including mental health)
As discussed above, not a right anyone else has.

I think it’s already covered under the Equalities Act

It may not be. They'd have to define gender identity first.

Yes I don't think transpeople currently have the right to freedom from discrimination on gender identity in itself, and I'm sure that's a trans right that TRAs would want. I'm actually thinking now I'm not sure if gender identity is the basis of the GRA, and therefore that it has been written into law. But that only applies where a GRC has been obtained, presumably. Given that it is still lawful under the Equality Act to maintain some sex separation even from aspiring cross-sex entrants with a GRC, some discrimination does remain. Obviously I think this is a good thing.

t may not be. They'd have to define gender identity first

But as soon as someone starts to ‘transition’ they can’t be discriminated against compared to members of their sex I think?

So if a male starts wearing skirts to work, they can’t be barred from using the men’s toilets or be sacked (I think this is a good thing )

There's a current thread which includes murder stats:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3747033-so-tell-me-how-many-trans-women-have-died-in-the-UK-last-year

Right to recognition before the law

In the UK this is covered by the GRA and EA - they have the right to be recognised as their chosen 'gender' under the GRA, and the right to not be discriminated against and to be recognised as transgender by way of the protected characteristic of gender reassignment in the EA even without a GRC.

I think people are protected from discrimination compared to their own sex ion the basis of transition, or even someone thinking they’re transitioning when they’re not

IANAL though

That's gender reassignment not gender identity Bernard. But you're right, it probably amounts to the same thing in this context.

'Gender identity' is hard to define. Perhaps better would be protection against discrimination on the basis of gender stereotypes. This would be completely separate from sex, but would allow eg a transwoman to dress in line with the 'women's' dress code, but would also allow a gender nonconforming woman to wear the 'men's' attire. Wouldn't that be good for trans people, 'nonbinaries' and people who don't believe in gender?

I think it effectively protects being gender non conforming? But maybe you have to utter the magic word to obtain the protection?