Following on from jelly babies I give you....

[Youwontcatchme]

The genderbread person.

Introduced as a resource at multi agency training today at a school, the trainer was wearing a TWAW t-shirt.

Very directive training, almost militant - affirmation is the only way. Lots of skepticism and even some sniggering from the staff attending, and attempts we’re made to challenge the trainer but they would not deviate from the dogma.

I was looking for the thread that was on here asking for training experiences but couldn’t find it, apologies for starting a new thread.

I cannot repeat the conversations had between staff after this training on here as it would get me banned as it flouts every Mumsnet posting rule on trans issues - but in the real world, the trans ideology is being rejected and ridiculed, particularly by males.

Youwont I hope you're right but there are a lot of teachers who seem to be taking this on board. There was an FWRer the other day who said her PSHE colleagues are very keen on this. They genuinely believe it and teach it.

From September 2020, it's compulsory for schools to teach the facts about gender identity. Somehow, we have to convince them that these aren't the facts.

In keeping with the seasonal treats theme maybe our Anti Gender Medusa can be made of stollen?

(I'm annoyed that they're trying to taint gingerbread. I like gingerbread.)

I wonder if these trainers ever talk to each other? we had LGBT training and the original trainer wasn't available, he was replaced by a gay man in his - I guess- early 60s, who agreed with me that T didn't really belong with LGB as it's not a sexuality.

From September 2020, it's compulsory for schools to teach the facts about gender identity. Somehow, we have to convince them that these aren't the facts.

If you're in Wales, they haven't yet decided whether to make this compulsory, so there's still time to make your objections known. This consultation is open until 28th November.

gov.wales/ensuring-access-full-curriculum

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743585-Compulsory-teaching-about-gender-identity-in-schools-Consultation-in-Wales

You don't have to be in Wales to participate.

In a previous consultation, it looks as though the message about gender identity might have started to get through.

A few respondents raised concerns surrounding the specific inclusion of gender identity in RSE

It’s all ridiculous. Way to fuck up our kids. I won’t have mine bow down to any of the teachings of they happen at their schools once older. Hoping this bullshit has died a death before then.

If anyone is having this training please ask this question:

What do you mean by masculinity and femininity?

If our daughters, (for instance), are going to be told that they have been born in the wrong body because they are displaying what the trainer considers masculine characteristics, please, PLEASE ask her/him to give you an example.

It immediately exposes the rank and nonsensical sexism.

What do you mean by masculinity and femininity?

I strongly suspect they will be unable to answer.

So keep asking. Say if they're possibly transgender, because of their masculinity or femininity, please tell us what that looks like.

Make them say it.

OldCrone

Thanks for the reminder. Have just completed the consultation. It actually only took me 5 minutes to do. I didn’t answer the questions about the Welsh language. Here is my answer to question 1):

In general, it is a good thing that parents/carers will not be allowed to withdraw their children from these subjects. Requiring all children to learn about other religions, and those who choose to have no religion, encourages understanding of others and hopefully tolerance of diversity. Similarly, teaching children about puberty, sexual intercourse, reproduction and relationships, helps them to make informed decisions about their bodies and their boundaries. Teaching about different sexualities is important, especially for those children who may encounter families with homosexual/bisexual parents, or for those children who may be questioning their own sexuality.

However, I do not condone the teaching of current “transgender ideology”, and would wish to have the option of withdrawing my children if certain unscientific facts were being taught to them. I am happy for the concept of “gender dysphoria” to be introduced as a situation where somebody feels distressed about their biological sex, and may attempt to alleviate this dysphoria by trying to present as the opposite sex. But to teach children that they can change their biological sex, or to teach them that not conforming to gender stereotypes must mean that they were “born in the wrong body” , are both unacceptable.

Sex is a biological diamorphism which is observed and recorded at birth - the term “assigned male/female at birth” is not factual. Research has shown that many young people who identify as “transgender”, may actually be doing so due to distress caused by them actually being homosexual, or autistic, or having suffered sexual abuse, so to “affirm” this claim of being transgender could falsely lead a child down a pathway of treatment with untested puberty blocking drugs, and ultimately irreversible surgery (and resultant sterility). There are many detransitioners who are starting to find their voices, who are showing us that affirming transgender children in their belief that they are the opposite sex, is in most cases a form of abuse.