Lib Dems say reforming Gender Recognition Act ‘can’t wait’ and is a manifesto priority

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I suppose this is the next step on from saying they dont want the votes or support of gender critical women.

The source for this story is Pink News, but presumably even they wouldn't quote somebody they hadn't actually spoken to. Or is this just devious electioneering, saying something to one audience to win their vote, but never talk about it elsewhere.

^“This government has, by its own admission, kicked these vital changes to the Gender Recognition Act into the long grass. This is prolonging uncertainty and creating unnecessary anxiety for trans people at a time when transphobic hate crime is at a record high,” said Christine Jardine, Liberal Democrat shadow minister for women and equalities.

“The Conservatives’ inaction on this shows a fundamental lack of empathy. They are treating trans people as second-class citizens. The Liberal Democrats will build a brighter future where every person’s rights are respected, including expression of their gender identity,” Jardine said.^

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/11/13/gender-recognition-act-liberal-democrats-reform-manifesto-priority/

A small part but pushing agenda in schools, businesses and law. That’s pretty sinister.

But so many changes have sneaked in before most* women started noticing. So I don't believe the argument that publicity makes change more likely. In fact, if it wasn't for publicity the GRA changes would probably already be law and women's rights would be screwed.

• Obviously some smart women recognised what was happening/could happen ages ago.

ArialAnna
For such such a tiny group they have acquired an influence that is frankly staggering. They have wholesale removed sex based rights for women and children across the country - schools, theatres, hospital wards, prisons, sport, our very language - seeking no debate or consensus - just with threats and bullying. Children have been sold the fantasy that they have been born in the wrong body and there is an explosion of girls with co morbidities transitioning (ROGD). There has been a total regulatory capture of medicine, the law, education, the civil service and all our institutions and everyone is too frightened to suggest that born men shouldn't be competing against women in sport or that male born rapists and sex offenders are a threat to the safety of vulnerable women in prison.

You may not be concerned about any of this, but I see it as sinister and threatening to everyone's wellbeing and safety if the LIb Dems, Labour Party etc enshrine in law that being a woman is a feeling in a man's head.

Also I think by making such a big deal of it we give the trans movement more publicity and make legal changes more likely to happen.

Sshhhhh women. Stop talking about their actual policies. Play nicely.

14th Rule of misogyny- women have all the rights they needs, the right to remain silent.

I ask again ArialAnna, do you think I'm a Tory troll because I recently started a thread about the Lib Dems?

And the LibDems are dead to me. The ease in which they've been taken over by a faction and their inability to question or listen to other views indicates (to me) that they would be incapable of negotiating big and difficult issues like Brexit or the NHS.

I actually now believe they would be quite dangerous in a position of power as they would be so easily manipulated.

Shame on you, Liberal Democrats. You've got this totally wrong. I hope you get wiped out in the GE.

But trans people make up an estimated 0.2% - 0.5% of the population

And women make up at least 50% of the population.

You seem to have got the wrong end of the stick - the problem isn't trans people having rights, the problem is women losing rights.

When the Old Vic decides that they are going to make all toilets gender neutral and don't recognise that (even leaving aside safety concerns) women can't actually use urinals, they disadvantage women.

Discussion of women's rights is shut down because it is transphobic and not 'inclusive' of people whose sex is male, but I can't defend my rights if I can't talk about sex.

But I don't get how such a small number of people identifying as different gender affects me self defining as a women.

Whether or not you self define as a woman is irrelevant. Your ability to participate in society may be restricted because

1). Others perceive you to be female and restrict your right to vote, travel alone etc.
2). you experience the physical consequences of being female in a society designed around people who have male anatomies.

You cannot protects rights for a group of people you can't define. It would be like trying to talk about the plight of polar bears if we all had to agree that a polar bear could also be small and brown and live in a burrow in Surrey.

This: Discussion of women's rights is shut down because it is transphobic and not 'inclusive' of people whose sex is male, but I can't defend my rights if I can't talk about sex.

I've heard millions of people argue that women should vote based on bigger things because this issue is relatively minor.

But it isn't. Being able to define woman and protect sex based rights is absolutely core to being able to meet the needs of women.

Our interests are not best served in a 'utopia' that treats us exactly the same as men and ignores our reality.

Surely before anyone does any reforming the views collected from the consultation need publishing?
Doubt it - a party that will simply ignore a referendum will have the same contempt for a consultation.

Well that's helped to confirm my vote. No thanks Lib Dems!

Also I think by making such a big deal of it we give the trans movement more publicity and make legal changes more likely to happen.

ArialAnna You've got this totally the wrong way round. This is from an article about Christine Burns, one of the campaigners for the original GRA, talking about how that law was passed without most people noticing.

Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press".

The self-ID reforms would have gone the same way, and we would now have a law that says any man is a woman if he says he is, had it not been for people noticing what was happening and campaigning against it.

i had a lib dem leaflet through the door today. it made me so angry, I wanted to send it back with graffiti on.

they've already said they don't want my vote - why the fuck are they clogging up my recycling bin?

they can keep their trash to themselves thanks.

When they say transphobic hate crime is at a record high what do they mean? Does anyone have any stats or figures? Do they mean in the UK? What kind of hate crime? Do they mean actual physical violence or do they mean misgendering. Serious question I’d love to know.

It just draws attention and publicity to it

But there is already a negative impact.

Children are being taught incoherent nonsense that only makes sense if you think there is a right or wrong way to be male or female because dubious trainers are delivering diversity training.

Medical research into the effects of transition is being curtailed for fear of causing offence.

Academics are being hounded out of their jobs.

Urinals are being declared 'gender neutral' because that sounds inclusive but properly enclosed toilets are too expensive.

The ease in which they've been taken over by a faction and their inability to question or listen to other views indicates (to me) that they would be incapable of negotiating big and difficult issues like Brexit or the NHS.. Agree

Lib Dem policy makers - please watch this, mentally substituting "Liberal Democrat" for "Democrat" throughout.

TinselAngel probably a ignorant question, as i feel i should know the answer. Whats thd spousal veto?

tilder have a look at this thread.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3717872-Trans-Widows-the-Liberal-Democrats-and-the-Spousal-Veto

Not ignorant tilder, unless you're a trans rights activist, a trans widow or a Lib Dem MP/ peer, you've probably never heard of it.

Brace yourself x

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3717872-Trans-Widows-the-Liberal-Democrats-and-the-Spousal-Veto

Ah. I see what you mean. Thanks OldCrone. Will see how much opportunity I get.

And TinselAngel. Sorry, am a slow typer.

Why the rush....?

Now that is the million dollar question, isn't it RedToothBrush ? Could it be that various people have spotted signs that the tide may be turning and want to rush things through?

Could it be that various people have spotted signs that the tide may be turning and want to rush things through?

It's probably the need to get the law passed before too many people start thinking about all the possible consequences of a law that says "a man is a woman if he says he is".

Why I posted this link, and I did point out the source was Pink News who have their own agenda, is that we have all become aware that by not monitoring what politicians are up to the original GRA got passed.

And following that a highly organised network of trans activists and supporters have been working to further erode women's rights.

We are having to catch up on a decade of well placed lobbying that has resulted in the wide spread use of the word gender when people are actually talking about sex (media capture), the capture of university education by queer theory that props up the trans narrative and creates woke students, the number of school and other organisations that children attend who have accepted self id as a fact irrespective of the consequences for child safety and so on.

Its too late to type up the list of just how many areas of our life is now being impacted by this trans ideology.

So if the third political party of the UK says they are prioritising the GRA then it is a concern. And whether they are doing this because they genuinely believe the trans narrative or are thinking it is the way to capture the young vote, it is not something we can or should ignore.