Women who dont wear bras are not allowed to visit prisons!

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When I first saw this headline I thought it was a joke, but apparently it is official prison policy!

“All women are required to wear underwear including a bra when visiting the prison, not just in the interests of other visitors, particularly children, but also to help our staff who are searching for contraband."

Are women's breasts a threat to children?

And would have thought braless women were less able to smuggle contraband.

What is this about?

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/row-as-woman-visiting-extinction-rebellion-protester-in-london-prison-turned-away-for-not-wearing-a4281521.html

Why is a vest not considered equivalent to a bra? A woman could keep vest and pants on in that situation.

Vest/bra/undershirt/camisole how many different terms should be included.
Sorry but the bra undies seems pretty common sense in a location that may strip search.

I went to prison 2 weeks ago and was searched on the way in. They wouldn’t have any clue if I had a bra on or not.

the prison is trying to prevent visitors from concealing contraband under the breasts

It's way easier to conceal something in a bra cup than in the inframammary fold, surely? Just find someone with, say, B cup breasts, and and buy her one of those foam shell t-shirt bras in, say, a DD cup. Fill the empty space from the bottom upwards with all the contraband you can fit in and round it out with cotton balls, pop her breasts in on top: voila, a smuggling cavity that things won't fall out of based on the same principle as "chicken fillet" bust enhancers. Put contraband in the inframammary fold, it might fall out even if you tape it in place.

(Yes, I am the kind of person who is always thinking about how I could circumvent security measures, it's part of my job description.)

Adults shouldn't be searched in their underwear or naked in front of kids.

I will say, if I was going to a men's prison, I might tend to want to wear a bra.

If I was going anywhere, I would want to wear sufficiently opaque clothing for my bra or lack of it to be undetectable. I've worked in male dominated teams for over a decade and still recall the day a few years ago that the pain of my bra's underwires in my armpits (because all bras for big tits + small ribs have the underwires go into your armpit, why? my boobs don't start there) and back strap biting into one of my ribs (which is deformed) and shoulder pain that will trigger migraines became so much that I went to the loo and removed the bra in the middle of the work day. I was terrified that my male colleagues would notice, but none of them did or said anything that indicated that they had. The next day I wore a shirt with two chest pockets to cover my nipple area and my bra was in my bag "just in case". It stayed in my bag.

That weekend I bought vests and those belvia-type crop tops that aren't wired and have blissful inch-wide elastic on the back strap (in size mahoosive lol and then put a box pleat in under each breast to take up the excess back strap whilst deepening the breast pouch) and haven't worn a bra since except for a few hours as a bridesmaid.

The red marks and pain are your body saying "take this contraption off, it is harming you and you don't need it". I have GG/H cups and I don't need nor want a bra. Fuck the prison service for insisting that I endure pain if I want to visit a prisoner.

Just very quick but interesting to note that a photo of the notice in the Prison shown in the article only talks about underwear must be worn and covered with clothes (if its any like where I live that mean people going out in their pyjamas and slippers!).

So maybe after the article in the paper they have changes it to say bra.

And as the article said a man in the queue pointed out that if bras should be worn as he was in far more need of support for his man boobs that the woman concerned.

It is so odd. The reference to protecting children and so on.

And yes, would have thought bras would be an ideal way to conceal any number of things where padding might be.

Shall we boycott Coca Cola?

It seems so odd, my sense is that either it's just incomprehensibly worded, or that there is some difficult to imagine technical reason to require undergarments.

Shall we boycott Coca Cola?

Wrong thread, perhaps?

Surely no bra means one less hiding place?

and what's wrong with just wearing a vest or one of those crop top things.

I thought it was prisoners that were supposed to be restricted not the visitors.

What bs

Bet they dont check for free roaming penises

I always get pulled for extra search at airports on account of forgetting my underwriting is on the substantial side and sets off the scanners ...

Anyone seen that episode of Porridge where Fletch's daughter visits him, obviously 1970s braless, and a lot of the conversation is around why that's not a good idea visiting prison. It's very funny but a bit uncomfortable.

Re the children bit - aren't they the ones with the practical need for access?

Also there may have been an incident and the staff decided it was the women who needed to be policed.

'underwiring!!!' Underwriting would be a whole different business.

Visited a relative in prison. The searches I had were laughable. I did a placement in a prison. Got told by staff how drugs get into prison, apart from being thrown over the walls!
Bras. The ones were you can add a chicken fillet. Spice isn't picked up by sniffer dogs either! Also up a woman's vagina . They can not do a search apparently as it's classed as sexual assault. Wonder how it is in other prisons.
On a visit I watched a passing over of drugs. So simple.

A couple of years ago my cousin and I went to see our friend and she was wearing cotton flare trousers that were pink and a white T-shirt she wasn’t allowed in the visit because her trousers looked like pjs. We didn’t argue with it.

The trousers were similar to these

My pyjamas are less revealing than my clothes.

It's a prison not court 🙄

I've only ever visited a prison in a professional capacity so maybe the rules are different but while I was searched no mention was made of my braless state.

Plus, isn't it easier to hide contraband if you are wearing a bra?

haXXor I love your link to the security mindset page. I'm now wondering who would appreciate getting a tube of live ants posted to them hmm. I'm also off to google smart water.

I suspect it is to ensure staff aren’t accused of sexual assaulting visitors.

Not everyone is particularly ‘pert’. Some women sag. Have you heard of the pencil test? Tuck a pencil underneath your breast. Does it stay there? What if the pencil were only a inch or two long? If you were frisked that would mean a fair bit of manhandling to check. Bordering on sexual assault. Probably not fun for the person conducting the search either.

Although, given the other ways of sneaking things in to prison, why bother?

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Miniskirts aren't allowed either.

It's a men's prison, so maybe it's so the prisoners are less likely to get excited and have behavioural issues later.

a fair bit of manhandling to check.

Surely the woman, or man, could be asked to lift each boob for a check.

Just ridiculous!

It's a men's prison, so maybe it's so the prisoners are less likely to get excited and have behavioural issues later.

ooh ooh ooh I know this one, pick me miss!

It's the first rule of misogyny: women are responsible for men's actions. In this case, women are made responsible for the actions of male prisoners and made to modify their clothing in an attempt to alter the prisoners' actions.

a fair bit of manhandling to check.
Surely the woman, or man, could be asked to lift each boob for a check.

This. A full strip search involves squatting naked in case anything falls out of the vagina, not usually a penetrative search. Asking someone to lift their own breasts is much less humiliating than being asked to squat naked.

In a belvia-type crop top I still fail the pencil test, in fact most of the point of the crop top is to wick sweat away from where it gathers in the inframammary crease. Big tits are a curse.

I don’t understand the security justification for this. Bras are a very useful place to keep contraband, so it can’t be that.

"Also up a woman's vagina . They can not do a search apparently as it's classed as sexual assault. "

Isn't that what the squat and cough thing you hear about on TV's about? On OITNB they certainly did do cavity searches - I'm aware it's not a documentary.