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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker's Facebook account has been disabled

94 replies

Lamahaha · 13/11/2019 06:07

The Standing for Women FB page says: This means it's completely evaporated, not just suspended.

Frankly, I'm not surprised -- she has been so bravely outspoken, especially as regads the transing of children, it had to happen sooner or later.
If I know Posie at all, she will find another way. She is not one to take silencing lying down.
I will miss her on Facebook. She did not hold back; so refreshingly direct, no euphemisms or beating around the bush.

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Datun · 13/11/2019 11:20

This is just a wild guess, but I've got an itsy-bitsy feeling that this will send Posie Parker into the stratosphere.

It's a defining characteristic of this entire issue that shutting women up, um, doesn't.

Deadringer · 13/11/2019 11:25

If enough people report the 'Posie Parker is going to hell' group, would they take it down?

Doobigetta · 13/11/2019 11:32

I reported that group. Sauce for the goose, and all that.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/11/2019 11:36

Why does this not surprise me?

I don't do Facebook or Twitter or Instagram or anything else beyond talkboards. I dislike the endless pictures, the videos, the lack of anonymity so I haven't followed Posie there.

I do know enough to know she is outspoken, thinks for herself and is unafraid of others opinions. She is exactly the sort of person I admire. Which is not the same as like. I imagine in real life I quite probably wouldn't like Posie very much. She is a very different person to me. I can't imagine we'd have much in common but I can still admire her for all that.

Sheheshe · 13/11/2019 11:52

I sometimes think Posie is too cruel and too cutting. But every day in these past months I visited her FB to depressurise from the overwhelming, stifling, authoritarian pressure to not speak up, or defy, or mildly question the current orthodoxy and trans narrative. Just to hear someone not giving a flying fuck about upsetting anyone or possibly offending a fellow mother or one of my kids’ friends. When I’ve felt like screaming about it all, I’ve visited her page. Sometimes I’ve gone ‘ouch’ - she’s gone too far but then I say that in the knowledge that at least she’s going there. And I hate myself for my cowardice and my reasonableness and my female conditioning. The fact that FB has chosen to obliterate her entire feed is outrageous and yes, it’s frankly terrifying. Just watched her video posted above. It’s chilling. I may never want to have PP round for a coffee but I do admire her scorched earth attitude and I’m going to double up on my efforts to counter this narrative. Anyone knocking my door on this election campaign is going to be grilled on what they are doing about women’s sex based rights - that’s my first step. The next thing will be my kids’ school. And I’ll think about what else I can do because this is fucking outrageous.

Inebriati · 13/11/2019 12:03

How did people organise themselves into groups before social media?

Activists used snail mail and if outed their mail was read by GCHQ. Activists expect to be monitored and treated as enemies of the State, not lauded as stunning and brave.

OvaHere · 13/11/2019 13:00

Whilst there are individual issue going on here e.g women vs gender ideology, the almost de-facto legalisation of rape and in the US attacks on reproductive rights. It seems to me the ultimate conclusion of all this is left wing men and right wing men colluding (not necessarily knowingly but but more on a zeitgeist level) to push all women out of the public sphere.

It goes beyond just trans stuff, so much that is female or for females is being erased. Especially online which has become basically a huge public square and clearly a lot of men don't want us in it. We are seeing a massive exodus of female MPs (irrelevant whether you like their politics or not) because of constant abuse.

Women are being pushed out of public life and pushed off the internet unless they conform to a narrow view of the purpose women should serve - young girls are being given a choice which is either of the pro porn/insta 'thot' type or dutiful wife and mother.

The space that resides in between the concept of madonna/whore, the space that the vast majority of women actually occupy, a space that recognises women are fully human with varied lives and complex, independent thoughts and feelings is being targeted for annihilation.

It feels like things are going backwards at quite an alarming rate

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/11/2019 13:16

It feels like things are going backwards at quite an alarming rate

This is worryingly true of politics in my view.

My own local council always had a smattering of women serving but is now 100% male.

There were always more men but this is the first time I have seen no women at all.

Lamahaha · 13/11/2019 13:27

I saw on twitter that she shared that she hopes men are fatally allergic to embryos on a post about possible womb transplants for TW.

She also posted the other day that it's ok to want to kill... I can't remember which group. Paedophiles or rapists or something.
Not kill them, but want to kill them. Hope that just saying that doesn't get me a deletion...

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Lamahaha · 13/11/2019 13:30

I admire Posie greatly, because I don’t always agree with her. She doesn’t push her ideas through a filter of ‘is this ideologically compatible with feminism?’ or ‘is this going to piss off my followers’ - she just has her ideas.

This. Sometimes I agree with her but I'm much too "nice" to say it out loud, don't want to offend. I dislike that in myself. She inspires me.

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Doobigetta · 13/11/2019 14:07

It has to be said that Posie’s threads attracted some pretty awful MAGA types. There was a very long argument the other day where some women really putting the boot into any woman who dared want to keep working after having children. And I disagree with many of Posie’s views, on that topic in particular. But that’s her whole point: you don’t silence people you disagree with. You take them on, and hopefully win them round.

Ringdonna · 13/11/2019 14:40

Good.

Blackopal · 13/11/2019 14:58

Shutting down debate and silencing voices has never been 'good' at any time in history ringdonna.

littlbrowndog · 13/11/2019 15:04

It’s not

Silencing people always makes me wonder what it is that has not to be heard.

Then I t makes me want to hear it

CoolCarrie · 13/11/2019 16:01

My Facebook page has vanished as well, the whole thing, I don’t seem to exist on Facebook anymore, not sure what the hell has happened

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 13/11/2019 16:16

Tinsel I wondered about that too after reading the trans widows thread. Coincidence?

BouquetOfRoses · 13/11/2019 16:18

I haven't agreed with everything Posie has said but I've agreed with many things she has said and been educated by some of what she has said.

I have seen many people post things much more controversial/offensive on social media than Posie has.

I also respect her greatly for speaking out. Having read things here and in the press about people being disciplined for social media comments etc I would never speak out in some of my views for fear of offending others. I think the lack of debate is worrying

9years · 13/11/2019 16:55

I was equally disgusted when Posie got banned from Mumsnet. She still is I believe.
She is entitled to express her views. Many of which I agree with. Some I don’t. That’s ok.
Thank God there are women who can still take a give no fucks, take no prisoners approach. That some of us cannot. Magdalen is dead, Lisa gone to ground, Posie is buggering on elsewhere, I am glad of that.

TheShoesa · 13/11/2019 16:57

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3362782-posie-parker-brilliant-rant

The video in this thread is what got me talking to people in real life. Posie is feared because she is direct and uncompromising which gives her a reach that others don't have.

traceyracer · 13/11/2019 17:03

There is an allegation on Twitter that Posie Parker posted pictures of someone's family so her followers could "make fun of" them and her children?

BouquetOfRoses · 13/11/2019 17:08

The Twitter allegation seems unlikely given Posie & her only family were doxxed, I cannot imagine her doing that

LangCleg · 13/11/2019 17:13

I watched her video about this - she's unbelievably resilient.

I'll just get creative.

And still, even on here, sad to see so many people afraid to just support her work for women and girls without qualification on other things. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit what she and I might disagree about. We could just knock seven bells out of each other arguing it out. Cos, y'know, she's not going to try to silence me if I say something she doesn't like.

MrsSnippyPants · 13/11/2019 17:30

What Lang said

ScapaFlo · 13/11/2019 17:32

Epic rant!

Ilovethekitties · 13/11/2019 17:39

RIP freedom of speech. There is a lot that I dont agree with in terms of what she stands for, but freedom of speech doesn't seem to exist when it involves transgender people and our views towards them.