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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Compulsory to teach “gender identity” from September?

41 replies

littlecabbage · 12/11/2019 12:21

“From September next year, all secondary schools will be required to teach about sexual orientation and gender identity“

From the Independent Education Today website. Is this true, or is it Stonewall hyperbole? I do not want my children being taught about so-called “gender identity” as though it is scientific fact. (Very happy indeed for them to learn about homosexuality and bisexuality).

ie-today.co.uk/Article/stonewall-urges-public-to-come-out-for-lgbt-inclusive-education/

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Siameasy · 12/11/2019 12:26

Well I’m gonna make sure my DC know what a croci gender is by the time they get to secondary - thanks for the heads ip

CeridwenTheWitch · 12/11/2019 12:38

I think more and more people need to home school their children because of this. It's going to create a generation of very confused, depressed children who later have unnecessary surgery.

Starlight456 · 12/11/2019 12:51

My Ds came home from school year 7 thinking he was A sexual simply because they talked about having no sexual feelings , as far as I am concerned this is due to the fact he was 11 years old . I had to help him understand he was too young to onow

This stuff has to be taught very carefully

Imnobody4 · 12/11/2019 12:53

Conflating gender and sexual orientation again. The trans agenda slipping in under cover.

CeridwenTheWitch · 12/11/2019 13:01

This stuff has to be taught very carefully

I don't see why trans ideology has to be taught at all, it is harmful to children. I think LGB education should be taught in secondary school alongside regular sex education but I am very confused why they've started teaching all of this to primary school children.

skql · 12/11/2019 13:10

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OldCrone · 12/11/2019 13:26

In Wales they are currently consulting on whether you will be allowed to remove your children from gender identity ideology lessons. Anyone can respond, you don't have to be in Wales, although obviously only Welsh schools will be affected. But what happens in one part of the UK is likely to affect the rest eventually.

The consultation runs until 28th November.

gov.wales/ensuring-access-full-curriculum

As with all of these consultations, you don't have to answer every question. Questions 1-3 and Q7 look like the ones where you can make comments about gender identity ideology (Q4 is about RE and Q5 & 6 are about the Welsh language). Q1-3 are about the new curriculum (which they consulted about earlier this year and was full of 'gender identity' stuff), and Q7 is a free comment question about any other concerns.

littlecabbage · 12/11/2019 13:26

I have just checked the Department for Education website, and cannot find any information that “gender identity” education is to become compulsory. I have emailed them to ask if this claim is true. I will report back.

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littlecabbage · 12/11/2019 13:27

Thanks @OldCrone, I will fill that in.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/11/2019 13:29

God help them at DS school - he isn't fooled.

Teaching sexual orientation, cool (he has gay relatives so its no biggie, not quite sure why they are 'teaching this to secondary school-age kids - they already know!) but gender stereotypes 'as real' - nah.

Siameasy · 12/11/2019 13:50

My DD (5) is already gender critical
If daddy wears a dress is he a lady
No
Can men have babies
No
Can a man become a woman
No
This is what we are going to have to do. I just feel sorry for the people who are sleeping through this.

Siameasy · 12/11/2019 13:57

Also - slightly OT but does anyone else have a feeling that something terrible will happen to Jazz Jennings who really was the guinea pig for the whole trans kid thing? How can they push this with what’s happening to Jazz? JJ is clearly suffering physical and mental pain as the result of everything that’s happened and I can’t see it ending well

SarahTancredi · 12/11/2019 14:06

siam

Jazz has already postponed college to focus on self care.

I dont think the whole thing has been a happy end to the journey it was assumed it would be.

Theres also the fact that they appear to be somewhat immature for their age ( no doubt a result of the blockers)

But I expect if there is some kind.of break.down in the future it will be the fault of feminists and.bigotry and not the drs and.parents who.lied indulged and put her through all this. And i do hope she ends up happy and settled.

I.hope we end up with the right to withdraw.our kids from.these.lessons. as I.certainly do not want my.kids sat through this.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/11/2019 14:11

The children who are being told that they can have babies, father kids, etc - and go down this path in this belief, the immaturity (which has been noted as a side effect of the drugs) - how will they feel when they understand that this is not something that 'science is about to make happen'?

Joisanofthedales · 12/11/2019 14:11

I thank the powers above that I have retired from teaching so I do not have to teach this.

PencilsInSpace · 12/11/2019 14:16

Yes, it's true. What's more, because it will be part of 'relationship' education rather than sex education you will not have the right to withdraw your child.

There's a FAQ here:

www.gov.uk/government/news/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education-faqs

Q: Will my child be taught about LGBT relationships?

A: Pupils should be taught about the society in which they are growing up. These subjects are designed to foster respect for others and for difference, and educate pupils about healthy relationships.

Pupils should receive teaching on LGBT content during their school years. Teaching children about the society that we live in and the different types of loving, healthy relationships that exist can be done in a way that respects everyone. Primary schools are strongly encouraged and enabled to cover LGBT content when teaching about different types of families.

Secondary schools should cover LGBT content in their RSE teaching. RSE should meet the needs of all pupils, whatever their developing sexuality or identity – this should include age-appropriate teaching about different types of relationships in the context of the law.

Statutory guidance:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education

These are the relevant bits:

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT)

36. In teaching Relationships Education and RSE, schools should ensure that the needs of all pupils are appropriately met, and that all pupils understand the importance of equality and respect. Schools must ensure that they comply with the relevant provisions of the Equality Act 2010, (please see The Equality Act 2010 and schools: Departmental advice), under which sexual orientation and gender reassignment are amongst the protected characteristics.

37. Schools should ensure that all of their teaching is sensitive and age appropriate in approach and content. At the point at which schools consider it appropriate to teach their pupils about LGBT, they should ensure that this content is fully integrated into their programmes of study for this area of the curriculum rather than delivered as a stand-alone unit or lesson. Schools are free to determine how they do this, and we expect all pupils to have been taught LGBT content at a timely point as part of this area of the curriculum.

and in the section for secondary schools:

75. Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about sex, sexuality, sexual health and gender identity in an age-appropriate and inclusive way. All pupils should feel that the content is relevant to them and their developing sexuality. Sexual orientation and gender identity should be explored at a timely point and in a clear, sensitive and respectful manner. When teaching about these topics, it must be recognised that young people may be discovering or understanding their sexual orientation or gender identity. There should be an equal opportunity to explore the features of stable and healthy same-sex relationships. This should be integrated appropriately into the RSE programme, rather than addressed separately or in only one lesson.

Schools have a lot of freedom in how they go about meeting these requirements and they are required to consult with parents when designing their curriculum.

It's important to keep tabs on what resources they are using and what external organisations they're bringing in. Some of them are absolutely shocking - really basic things like not including sex in the list of protected characteristics.

OhHolyJesus · 12/11/2019 14:18

Whilst I do not want to undermine my child's education or indicate that school is optional, how can the government or school make me put my child into these lessons?

OldCrone · 12/11/2019 14:23

What's more, because it will be part of 'relationship' education rather than sex education you will not have the right to withdraw your child.

So it's already compulsory in England? So that means the Welsh Government is just consulting before (probably) following England's lead.

Was there a consultation in England before making this compulsory? Or did they just sneak it in?

Apileofballyhoo · 12/11/2019 14:24

Theres also the fact that they appear to be somewhat immature for their age ( no doubt a result of the blockers)

I was wondering how blockers would affect brain development when I was reading about Jazz the other day. Surely it's not just physical development is affected. There is so much we don't know about the brain.

HarrietTheFly · 12/11/2019 14:27

Pupils should be taught the facts and the law about sex, sexuality, sexual health and gender identity in an age-appropriate and inclusive way.

What are the facts of gender identity I wonder?

PencilsInSpace · 12/11/2019 14:34

Was there a consultation in England before making this compulsory?

There was - www.transgendertrend.com/rse-government-consultation/

Unfortunately it came hot on the heels of the GRA consultation and I think lots of us were still reeling from that, so weren't able to give it enough attention. That's certainly true in my case.

SarahTancredi · 12/11/2019 14:34

How does this even get through anyway.

If sex isnt real.what are they transitioning too and from?

Non binary and gender fluid cant exist with out the binary to refer to in order to define it.

These.kids are going to be messed up 🤬

HandsOffMyRights · 12/11/2019 14:35

This is worrying. My son's secondary has already fallen prey to dubious 'teaching' by two groups, including Stonewall, a lobby group.

Lifted from MN ^ The law and guidance:
Most transgender organisations are political pressure groups in that they try to influence public policy in the interest of their particular cause. Schools are constrained by the duty to comply with Sections 406 and 407 of the Education Act 1996 which forbids ‘the promotion of partisan political views…’
There is also a requirement found in the Prevent Duty and Teaching Controversial Issues for Schools which places a duty on schools to “secure that where political issues are brought to the attention of pupils… they are offered a balanced presentation of opposing views”. So groups trying to influence policy about say changing the use of sex segregated spaces in schools, changing school policy, changing language used in schools etc are acting as political pressure groups and if they are working with pupils there MUST be a balance of views ^

TransgenderTrend has some useful information about the issues with teaching gender ideology as fact.

cwg1 · 12/11/2019 14:35

Yes - this is correct. New legislation was approved earlier this year with strong cross party support (500+ votes in favour). Much emphasis on DC being given accurate info and not picking up inaccuracies in the playground(!)

Children will be taught that we all have an innate gender identity and should be free to develop it. It will be compulsory for schools to teach this as fact (some are already doing so - see Genderbread Person and the Barbie/GI Joe spectrum) and for DC to attend lessons - you can't withdraw them.

However, the government isn't setting a curriculum. This is up to schools to provide in consultation with parents (I'd guess this is why one or two FWRers have recently been contacted by schools on the subject).

So, contact your schools. If your MP is restanding, you might also want to contact them, though, given the numbers, it's likely that they voted for it. Much useful info is available from Transgender Trend and the Safe Schools Alliance.

cwg1 · 12/11/2019 14:39

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