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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Compulsory to teach “gender identity” from September?

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littlecabbage · 12/11/2019 12:21

“From September next year, all secondary schools will be required to teach about sexual orientation and gender identity“

From the Independent Education Today website. Is this true, or is it Stonewall hyperbole? I do not want my children being taught about so-called “gender identity” as though it is scientific fact. (Very happy indeed for them to learn about homosexuality and bisexuality).

ie-today.co.uk/Article/stonewall-urges-public-to-come-out-for-lgbt-inclusive-education/

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GenderfreeJoe · 12/11/2019 14:43

I made sure my children understood that it's not possible to change sex and that gender ideology is regressive not progressive. They are extremely gender critical and are aware of how harmful gender ideology truly is, particularly to women and children. Sad that I had to teach them this in primary, but no way was I having the trans cult trying to teach them that their body is wrong.

skql · 12/11/2019 15:09

is there any way to push it back?

HarrietTheFly · 12/11/2019 15:35

On the back of some of the posts on this thread I've just watched a bit of Jazz Jennings show for the first time (it's on YouTube). Firstly I was quite shocked by the very private and sensitive conversations that were taking place. I felt weird seeing them (assuming they're not scripted made up stuff), but I guess that's reality TV for you. Secondly, the videos I saw were mainly about Jazz's new boyfriend and about his mother not accepting Jazz as female and saying that the relationship made her son gay. While I felt smpathy for the couple, everyone came across as kind of anti being gay. Jazz made a "so what if you were gay there's nothing wrong with that but you're not" kind of remark, but otherwise it felt very "Ew gay". Maybe that was just my interpretation but it seemed homophobic and I didn't like that. The mother, the boyfriend, Jazz's parents... I felt like Jazz's parents would not have been totally comfortable with a gay son.

LetsSlashMummy · 12/11/2019 15:47

My council sent their slides/curriculum round and it was reassuringly sensible. Same sex relationships and the daft-ness of gender stereotypes came first. One single slide on transgender feelings and very much in the tone of "some people think..." nothing at all taught about gender being fact.

This is an area ahead of the curve, where the knee jerk "poor darlings, but how fascinating," response was a few years ago and now things are more carefully considered. My kids primary school handles the transitioned kids like "no big deal, but no pronouns - just names, so kids don't get confused- and nobody in trouble for getting it wrong."

SarahTancredi · 12/11/2019 16:00

Firstly I was quite shocked by the very private and sensitive conversations that were taking place. I felt weird seeing them (assuming they're not scripted made up stuff)

Yes they really are the kind of conversations you eoyod perhaps have with your closest friend. Some one.you can trust with your life.

The fact these conversations were had in.front.of the world,...well what's that thing called where boundaries about behaviour and events are completely erased and things just become normal...?.

FWRLurker · 12/11/2019 16:09

LetsSlash

That’s really fascinating. Can you give more info on how the no pronouns Rule is implemented? It would be great to have more guidance on how to build a sane system around transitioned and gender questioning kids.

cwg1 · 12/11/2019 16:28

Slash That's really interesting and, thinking about it, IS the factual info about gender identity i.e. it boils down to a belief that not everybody holds.

It also occurred to me that we could focus on 'pupils to be taught the facts ... about gender identity'. 'So, MP, you voted for this - what are they, please?' ...

Sunkisses · 13/11/2019 10:07

@LetsSlashMummy could you contact Safe Schools Alliance UK and let them know about your council? It would be so good to get some examples of best practice re teaching about trans ideology. Transgender Trend would probably also like to know

GColdtimer · 13/11/2019 11:00

LetsSlash, I have PMd you. I am part of SSAUK

ValancyRedfern · 13/11/2019 12:02

Does teaching gender identity feature in the primary rse curriculum? I'm a secondary teacher and have talked with my SLT and my school is quite sensible but wondering how to approach dd's primary.

I'm also involved in rse education (not a specialist but delivered by form tutors in my, and many, schools) and I am sad to report that most pshe teachers I have come across on professional forums/FB groups are very much on boar with teaching gender identity as fact.

Sunkisses · 13/11/2019 12:50

@ValancyRedfern yes, TRAs are claiming that 'gender identity' is part of Relationships Education which is compulsory in both primary and secondary schools. So the teaching of trans ideology can be sneaked into primary schools via compulsory Relationships Education Sad

cwg1 · 13/11/2019 12:52

Valancy have a look at Pencilsinspace's post up thread for the relevant quotes. Looking at them again, they seem rather back-covering to me for primary schools...

I think the most important points are about consultation with parents and establishing what the facts are(!)

Can you approach the school? i.e. you've heard about the new legislation and would like more details and then it would depend on their response.

If they take a similar approach to Slash's school, I wouldn't be too concerned. But so many hard-pressed schools seem to fall back on the Genderbread Person and so on.

CranberriesChoccy · 13/11/2019 16:17

Perhaps not in primary, but regarding curriculum teaching in secondary education, will this end up being compulsory and will there be 'right' and 'wrong' answers on an exam about it? It's an ideology, right? Confused

ValancyRedfern · 13/11/2019 19:30

Pshe generally isn't assessed but I have been told by pshe teachers that gender identity has been proven by 'science' and to suggest it reinforces harmful stereotypes is transphobic.

koshkat · 13/11/2019 20:15

It will be a cold day in hell before I push the trans agenda at school. Fuck that shit.

littlecabbage · 13/11/2019 21:39

I have been told by pshe teachers that gender identity has been proven by 'science'

I'd love to see their evidence.

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