The problem with white feminism

[FrackOff]

Listen to this amazing podcast on white feminism, the link with the right wing, racism and colonialism pca.st/vzbdlq7j

You need to hear the whole thing to get the whole argument

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But frack. People have written her3 about the podcast.

I don’t even know what it is you want.
You never even engaged with the people that did listen to it and wrote about it
Did the listeners not say what you wanted them to say ?

But you have the job to go to and all that

I waded in on Alison's Twitter thread about breastfeeding, wasn't very good for my blood pressure.

This pretty much sums it up for me. A young white woman holds up objecting to white feminism while her companion holds an image of a guillotine aimed at women. I genuinely don't know how it's possible to have that little self-awareness.

Listen to this amazing podcast on white feminism, the link with the right wing, racism and colonialism pca.st/vzbdlq7j

'White feminism' as a term has only relatively recently been invented - in order to tie in with the politics of intersectionality.

Feminism has always embraced all women, and there is nothing new or revolutionary in seeing that women face multiple oppressions on account of different factors: class, race, religion, disability and so on.....

As with 'genderism' as a theory - there is nothing new to see here - except for the new 'woke left' castigating anyone who dares hold a different view as being 'right wing' or 'racist'. All so predictable.

I'm not even clear what the wording on the placard is supposed to mean.

Does 'white feminism ain't shit' mean 'white feminism is the opposite of shit and fabulous' or 'white feminism is not worth shit'?

As for the guillotine holder in the face mask, just sick. Vile human being.

Cripes Turtles, where’s that picture from? It’s terrifying

See I did get educated on the don’t use woman face thread

Before I read the thread I didn’t see the problem with the term ‘womanface’ and after I read the thread I did

Because posters took the time to engage and clearly explain the issues

It’s how you change people’s minds, just for future reference @FrackOff

Frack’s not interested in any sense I don’t think. Certainly doesn’t seem to be much point making coherent arguments anyway.

I was really hoping there’d be a Thigh or two about now as well just to liven things up

Honestly, academic gender discourse is about as First World Problems as it gets. In the rest of the world all feminism is focused on the material realities of women's lives because of course it bloody well is

Absolutely! Feminism has always been rooted in the material reality of women's lives, and lived experiences; not in the impenetrability of queer theory and identity politics.

Frack’s not interested in any sense I don’t think. Certainly doesn’t seem to be much point making coherent arguments anyway

Posters such as 'Frackoff' do serve to tighten up and clarify the focus, though, and make it more cogent - which is always worthwhile.

There should be an acknowledgement that WOC have different struggles as women in the patriarchy. For example the mortality rates for black women in America being significantly highly than white women because of a mixture of both internalised racism and misogyny ( for example it's been proven that in medical settimgs women's self reports of pain aren't taken as seriously as menstruation, and added to that black peoples self reports of pain aren't taken as seriously as white peoples). The problem with feminism that centres on the experiences of middle class white women is that it excludes everyone else. It doesn't mean white middle class women are bad, it just means they are an often over represented group.

*mens not menstruation. Silly autocorrect

And mortality as in death in childbirth.

Posters such as 'Frackoff' do serve to tighten up and clarify the focus, though, and make it more cogent - which is always worthwhile.

True. Also GumpyHoonMain's posts have been interesting so a worth while thread for them alone.

Have you read any of this thread 1Micemouse?

I'm not sure of the original source of the picture. It surfaced on Twitter in the last few days

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Until the BAME community in the U.K. states that they want to adopt the Americanised "POC", it will continue to make my eyelids itch.

The problem with feminism that centres on the experiences of middle class white women is that it excludes everyone else

Yes, feminism of the kind espoused by Alison Phipps excludes anyone with common sense

Feminists on this board have always been alive to classism in certain strands of feminism. I well remember the hard time that the ‘Women’s Equality Party’ were given over their policy of allowing men to stay overnight on maternity wards and the potential effects on vulnerable women

The problem with feminism that centres on the experiences of middle class white women is that it excludes everyone else

An excellent description of Alison's feminism there!

I have zero interest in the views of anyone who treats 'white women' as a homogenous mass. Such people tend to have extremely ill informed and superficial world views.

I've lived abroad teaching American English and surrounded by them. I'm currently training myself out of saying thingd like garbage, trash, and sidewalk.

Them being Americans, and Canadians who use similar language. It's surprisingly catching, American English.

I believe the mock-guillotine photo comes from the protest outside Meghan Murphy's talk in Vancouver on Saturday:

www.feministcurrent.com/2019/11/06/vancouver-panel-on-gender-identity-and-media-bias-encapsulates-conflict-between-women-and-trans-activists/

There should be an acknowledgement that WOC have different struggles as women in the patriarchy

Who are "WOC" in a UK context?

Are women in countries such as Saudi or Brunei, who may be far, far wealthier than an American "women of colour" also "WOC"?

Are the Filipino house servants of the Saudi WOC also WOC?

As someone else said out of a US context WOC makes my teeth itch. It's so patronising- there are white and everyone else is WOC.

Generally as a white, middle class woman I'm pretty fed up of being told I'm to blame for everything ; whether that is Dr. Olivette Otele, Reni Eddo-Lodge, Munro Bergdorf or any one on MN castigating me for employing nannies or cleaners.

Them being Americans, and Canadians who use similar language. It's surprisingly catching, American English.

It works the other way too. My toddler, who is a Peppa Pig fan, came to me the other day asking for a plaster for her toe. It took me a few minutes to figure out what she wanted.