The problem with white feminism

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Listen to this amazing podcast on white feminism, the link with the right wing, racism and colonialism pca.st/vzbdlq7j

You need to hear the whole thing to get the whole argument

The Red Pepper article is the most batshit thing I've read in a long time.

Wanting men who rape women to go to prison is apparently something that only evil white feminists endorse. I assume that black women who have been raped are perfectly happy for their rapists to go free, right?

But we are not entitled to politicise our pain

What rubbish. No rationale for this, just a load of disjointed inane statements about "white narcissism". Weep quietly, women, where no one can hear you.

And what is this obsession these people have with not punishing rapists?

I am carceral af

I can’t cry on demand, despite being white. If I cry, I can’t actually stop myself from doing it. It’s not like I love the feeling of tears on my skin or anything. Alison can fuck off.

Not only all of this but I hate crying. It just gives me a headache.

Also, attitudes to crying are cultural. Until very recently the British were considered unemotional types for example while those darker skinned white people in Mediterranian countries were considered emotional. There are simmilar cultural divisions across Asia and Africa regarding 'temperament'. Almost as if not all white people are the same, not all black people are the same, not all Asian people are the same.

Oh, the OP didn’t stick around to chat? They never do, do they?

Which is a shame as I’m dying to see someone back up that heap of BS

I am carceral af

Join the fucking club!

That's one of the weirdest things I've read all year - and I get through a load of TRA stuff! White women use public displays of distress to dominate other ethnic groups? So white women shouldn't be allowed to show distress? Batshit. For a start, the British as a culture are famously unemotional. Public crying is more acceptable in other, often non-white cultures.

I bet I know where this comes from though. 'White tears' as an insult for what was seen as white people expressing petty grievances. Once a concept exists it gets elaborated on and give new meanings. It's justified retrospectively with things the originator never thought of. MRAs did the same with 'feminazi' - what started as an insult turned into serious, detailed efforts to explain why feminists are Nazis.

The Red Pepper article is the most batshit thing I've read in a long time

Listen to the podcast :-)

I have zero interest in the views of anyone who treats 'white' as a homogenous mass. Such people tend to have extremely ill informed and superficial world views.

I wonder if....with a little editing...

I have zero interest in the views of anyone who treats 'men' as a homogenous mass. Such people tend to have extremely ill informed and superficial world views.

Nice.

If that redpepper article is indicative of her communication style I'm not surprised most students skip her lectures. She leaps from one idea to another and implies that there's a connection without actually demonstrating that one exists. Her worldview is weirdly American centric. She conflates things that aren't connected and constantly attempts to shift attention from men's actions to how women are somehow responsible for them. She doesn't appear to realize that cultures where white people aren't in charge exist. It's all very undergrad comes up with Baby's First Political Theory.

I've yet to encounter anyone banging on about this stuff who doesn't want society to stop jailing rapists, which is certainly interesting. They're absolutely fixated on making sure that no man ever suffers and consequences as a result of predatory behavior towards women (and kids).

Yes, the white women weaponising crying thing (it was in the Guardian wasn’t it) manages to be both racist and sexist while congratulating itself on its inclusiveness

Any one taken in by it demonstrates an impressive capacity for believing complete nonsense

What a good job posters here don't treat men as a homogenous mass.

Unless you mean we've noticed they are all of the male sex class?

I just read that Red Pepper article and now am confused. WTF. Is she saying that jailing rapists is bad? Have I fundamentally misunderstood something here?

That’s it! I’m going home this evening to treat my sons as a homogeneous mass!

That’ll teach ‘em!

Is she British? Because that discusses what are specifically American white people experiences in "we" terms (there is no border within the UK that one might be stopped at as a result of not looking white enough, because island, but in the US there is). Is she a Brit who identifies as an American?

Is she a Brit who identifies as an American?

She's a Brit who, like many students, hasn't been taught a thing about British history or politics so gets information from the USq based resources....

Like, if you're at all familiar with the racial politics of America it's obvious that she's talking about the border with Mexico. But if she's a Brit that makes no sense, so it reads as her taking other people's writing and regurgitating it out of context.

taking other people's writing and regurgitating it out of context.

Yep, which is why she mixes up very very basic concepts.

What the fuck did I just read?! White women shouldn't seek justice and punishment against rapists because that would be .... politicising their pain??!! What the actual fuck??

Is she saying that jailing rapists is bad? Have I fundamentally misunderstood something here?

Yes, yes she is. This is called anti-carceral feminism and it is beloved of the penis-centring Woke.

Try not to look any further. You will weep tears of blood.

Is it just rapists she thinks shouldn't be jailed? What about serial killers? Should we just let them walk free too? What about the criminally insane like my brother in law? Should he be free to stab a few more people?

There's a specifically US problem that it's an excessively 'carceral' society, with disproportionate numbers of black people being jailed, sometimes for minor infringements of the law. If that's being conflated with 'should rapists and sex slave traffickers be jailed' then all its proof of is horribly muddled woman-blaming 'thinking'.

Try not to look any further. You will weep tears of blood.

White tears of privileged blood, I think you must mean, Lang!

I'm all for having a wider, honest discussion about how society as a whole views imprisonment and the judicial system, should minor infringements lead to a prison sentence etc. I don't deny that black people, in the US as well as the UK have been disproportionately targeted and imprisoned for minor crimes.

But to extrapolate those very valid concerns and debates with the crackpot idea that wanting imprisonment of serious criminals like rapists is somehow a bad thing.............. I don't even have the words.

I have zero interest in the views of anyone who treats 'men' as a homogenous mass. Such people tend to have extremely ill informed and superficial world views.

I, for one, spend all day hating men. After all, the arguments against workplace discrimination, sexual violence and self ID just disappear without a little man-hate.