The problem with white feminism

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Listen to this amazing podcast on white feminism, the link with the right wing, racism and colonialism pca.st/vzbdlq7j

You need to hear the whole thing to get the whole argument

"Alison is arguing that Feminism is bad because White Feminsts do X or Y, is that not an attempt to build on Class Analysis"

No. It's an attempt to thwart class analysis. Radical feminists (who Alison is trying to pretend are all white) use class analysis to understand the way male power operates to oppress women of all classes and races. Alison is telling us not to do this because it's "colonialist".

Alison would also have to explain why she thinks only white feminists subscribe to the type of politics she is objecting to. She's wrong about that.

Iced I don’t think it’s putting themselves in dangerous situations. I know men who have been attacked in bars and pubs or just walking down the street. Most men will not attack or hit a woman in public (in private is a different story) but I absolutely don’t think we can say that male victims of stranger violence have themselves to blame.

I know men who have been attacked in bars and pubs or just walking down the street.

I'm sure we all know people - men and women - who have been attacked in public. But how common do you really think it is for men to just be randomly attacked by strangers walking down the street?

I absolutely don’t think we can say that male victims of stranger violence have themselves to blame.

That's not what I said though, is it? Nobody is to blame if they are attacked for no reason, but who do you think is more likely to walk alone in a dodgy area at night, a man or a woman?

I cringe whenever I see or hear the term 'White Feminism.' Firstly, it's racist because it implies white feminists are Bad and Wrong simply because they are white. Imagine if people started saying 'the problem with Black Feminism' and how unacceptable that would be.

Secondly, it mocks, dismisses and belittles the incredible achievements made by the Suffragettes and feminists of the past, just because they were white.

I've noticed trans activists love to use the term 'white feminism' to dismiss usually older white women who are fighting for our rights. It's yet another term of abuse and a way for them to attempt to belittle and discredit us.

Iced but what’s the point of noting the supposed advantages possessed by those at the very margins of society who don’t even have a safe place to sleep versus the apparent disadvantage faced by a woman with unimaginable wealth? Really? I can’t see any point to it at all.

And the queen might be vulnerable to a stranger breaking in with a piece of glass but change the glass to a gun and the sex of the victim would be immaterial. Everyone is mortal and capable of being injured.

@Reality

I think you're replying to the wrong person.

Early what did you think of BAME representation at FiLiA?

Goddess loves a trier!

Where did I say that? Any talk of race on here just gets shut down anyway so I won’t bother discussing it

No, it doesn't! This is a discussion forum which will inevitable present a wide range of view points. Having some element of disagreement or difference of perspective is not to 'shut things down'. Personally, think this is a necessary discussion.

I've been assaulted on numerous occasions in public by men and boys. I can't imagine that my experiences are unique for women.

I've never been threatened, assaulted or harmed by a radical feminist.
I have been harmed by women who side with men.

Interesting how cries of 'white feminism' come from the country with the worst rates of maternal deaths in the developed world.

The Queen has enormous class advantages, but she still ended up with a man who broke into her bedroom in the middle of the night, and sat on her bed armed with a piece of glass

That is such a non-point. Almost any member of the Royal House with the exception of the security guards would have been at risk in that situation.

nteresting how cries of 'white feminism' come from the country with the worst rates of maternal deaths in the developed world.

Did you know in the UK, Black women are 5x more likely to die in childbirth?
‘White feminism’ is not an attack on individual white women, I for one wouldn’t want any woman to not speak up because of the colour of her skin - ever.
It’s about recognising all women and experiences and how some levels of current feminism ignore it.
I don’t think the whole ‘anti-trans’ thing stems from racism, but the recent defending of Posie Parker working with a white supremacist is just one example of how sometimes modern feminists can disregard Black women in an instant.

FWIW I think filia is a great feminist organisation and year on year they make an effort to hold workshops supporting black women in feminism and more.

Did you know in the UK, Black women are 5x more likely to die in childbirth?

Have you got a source for this? Preferably one which controls for socio economic factors.

I definitely read a study fairly recently on childbirth outcomes correlated with race, but it was American not British

Black women are 5x more likely to die in childbirth

I read this recently too on this board but i can't for the life on me remember the source.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-47115305

Quick google and I can find a news link stating this, but helpfully it doesn't link to the study 🙄

Ah x post, thanks for that. Will have a look

Thanks for that, but it's a report, not an actual study. Also, it doesn't control for socio economic factors, and suggests that medical reasons - apparantly black women are more prone to preeclampsia - are at least partly to blame.

In any case, how are 'white feminists' at fault for any of this?

No one said white feminists were to blame but your reaction is interesting.

No one said white feminists were to blame

So what is the point of your posts then?

but your reaction is interesting.

More than can be said for your reply.

Some levels of current 'feminism' ignore women, is the point I was clumsily making.

I think this place would feel a lot less hostile if people didn’t react in certain ways to instances of injustices faced by black people, as I’ve not seen the same level of attitude to other reports and statements affecting other groups.
But alas, it is the term ‘white feminism’ that is of course, the made up issue.
I’m used to it though, it’s all good.