Trans person talks about identity - and makes sense!

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I hope other trans people follow Juno Roche, Author of Queer Sex and Trans Power, to this moment of realisation.

Yes, you're authentically trans, as you are actively living as a trans person.

No, you're not a trans woman as that's not in any way "authentic" (as it's not possible).

www.dailymotion.com/video/x7nlpww

(Juno doesn't seem at all interested in the impact on women, but this is progress at least!)

I'm guessing this is a change in position for Juno, does anyone know? (What's the book about?)

Is Juno in any way influential? Is this likely to become a more popular view, or is it just one lone voice?

I am quite shocked at what I have just watched, I never thought I would agree with Juno Roche, but that did seem to be a sincere piece. I absolutely agree that gender is the problem.

I am pleased that Juno has found their identity and that they are happy to be Trans in trans's own right, rather than transgender.

Being authentically trans and proud to be trans is great.

I don't see this as progress. So far as I can see Juno is saying that Juno no longer considers Junoself to be a woman, but women must accommodate Juno anyway. Worse, if anything.

That's interesting. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Roche is obviously very engaged with what they refer to as 'queerness'. (Just going on the PN article).

I think there are going to be trans people who really do want to live normal lives and blend in, and they will want to use the terms 'woman' and 'man'. I think that causes difficulties for us and I don't agree with it, because it means we get shoved into categories like 'cis' or 'cervix-havers' but I do understand it, where people have genuine dysphoria.

I didn't get that Juno expects women to accommodate Juno, more that Juno now felt that Juno would rather be 'just' trans because that was less hard work for Juno than trying to shoehorn Junoself into a group in which Juno didn't and could never truly belong

but women must accommodate Juno anyway

I didn't get that from the video either. I thought this was Juno accepting Juno will never be female and that it's liberating to stop trying and be their "authentic self" instead, which is trans.

Except that it's Juno Roche who wrote a blog about being in a woman's changing room, trying on lingerie, and fantasising about a "wank circle" and "startling" a young [female] sales assistant.

I'm trying to find the link - it came up on Spinster, but my computer tells me it's an unsafe website ...

It was not particularly pleasant reading.

This person is repulsively self absorbed.

They say "I'm just trans, not trans this or trans that, just trans".

Yeah, well, no you aren't because there are female transpeople and male transpeople and the two are very different. You can't expect everyone to pretend they don't know your sex!

Urgh

How long ago did Juno write it? I've seen others saying Juno's written some dodgy shit but it seems like this is a progression for Juno. It'd be great if so.

But is it's just posturing and Juno still wants to get off on invading women's spaces then not such an epiphany is it?

If Juno actually said "I am a male presenting as trans, and therefore I belong in the male category" I'd high-five, hug, salute, applaud Juno to the end of the world.
But, no. They still expect us to twist reality on their behalf.

I didn't hear Juno say they still wanted to access women's spaces. Where was that said? I hope that is not the case. Because for women, that is the crux.

Other than that, I thought it was a refreshing and genuine.

I think the whole self-acceptance of your trans ness was refreshing. ‘You’re not broken, you’re not damaged’ that’s fab. I want young trans kids to hear that message - maybe it would stop them surgically changing themselves? I don’t know how all this ties in with rights and sex segregated spaces but it feels like a shift in the debate. I am going to research this further.

Justhadathought
I didn't hear Juno say they still wanted to access women's spaces

From an article in Stonewall People
www.stonewall.org.uk/people/juno-roche

I’m part of this campaign because I believe self-identification is the most basic of human rights. It saddens me greatly to have to fight for this, like fighting to stand still. Anything I can do or say to fight for this right I will do. Changing the GRA to allow us to self-identify would be a proud act of autonomy. I know my own mind. I feel that changes to the GRA would mean being respected and believed

To those in the transgender community who have been reading negative headlines in the press about trans people recently, my advice is, don't read them, don't believe them

Yes but how recent is that? The point is Juno has changed their mind.

Me me me me me. Some people never seem to tire of talking about themselves. Don't they get bored? I lost the will to live a quarter of the way through this. And it really doesn't undo all Juno's previous dismissal of women's efforts to defend our sex-based rights.

but I do understand it, where people have genuine dysphoria.

I can understand it but don't agree with it. If someone had another condition which made them want to not face reality we wouldn't all be expected to pretend to believe it too.

Re the me me me thing: I think this is Juno saying that this is how it is for Juno. There's nothing wrong with that. Its about not claiming you speak for eveyone.

All women are different
All lesbian and gay people are different
All trans people are different

As Juno said at the end, it's opting out of doing the work for patriarchy that we all share.

This is Juno in the Huff Post, seems to have a fixation on women's toilets.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/juno-roche/bathrooms-our-space-their-space_b_10060316.html

Juno Roche, author of "Queer Sex" says:

"Not a lot of women get to do that; write about sex and their sex lives… I feel very lucky."

scarletladiesuk.com/2018/09/06/juno-roche-author-of-queer-sex/

I didn't hear Juno say they still wanted to access women's spaces. Where was that said? I hope that is not the case.

You're projecting what you'd like Juno to be saying onto what Juno is actually saying. Juno is rejecting an ontological category, nothing more. Juno is no friend to women.

All women are different
All lesbian and gay people are different
All trans people are different

Of course, as individuals.......but at a different level all women are the same courtesy of their biological sex and the implications this can, and does, have for them.

And all trans people are the same in that they they identify with a sex which they are palpably not.

You're projecting what you'd like Juno to be saying onto what Juno is actually saying. Juno is rejecting an ontological category, nothing more. Juno is no friend to women

No, I'm not.....I listened to what was posted, and asked for further evidence or clarification.

You're projecting what you think I think......

Haven’t listened, but I’m not going to do any backflips over this.

It seems in some cases, men begin to transition in a blazing fog of desire, and belief, then in some cases, the mist clears a little and they realise they are never going to reach nirvana.

Some then make the best of it, others (James Shupe, for example) detransition, possibly via claiming to be non- binary.

Is Juno middle aged?

Juno is arguing angels dancing on the head of a pin with other trans people. Nothing Juno has said here implies any more respect for women's rights. spaces and services than Juno has ever had, nor implies any future changes in behaviour from Juno.

"Yes but how recent is that? The point is Juno has changed their mind."

If you go into the source of that Stonewall page, it includes
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Now it's possible that the last thing they updated was a spelling mistake or a change to the menus, but it's also possible that's when it was written.

Similarly, the copyright on the page is 2017, but that could refer to the whole site not that page.

And this is Juno in 2016, basically talking about the surgery not giving them what they expected to have. I felt quite sorry for Juno reading this.

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