Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

So, I got an email about a comment in which I said that I wanted to know why genderists keep comparing trans identified males to black women and lesbians being deleted. I think this is absolutely barmy, and have said so to HQ. I'm also baffled as to how this breaks any guidelines and thought perhaps it was time for us as a group to revisit the guidelines and explain once more to MNHQ why they're not working.

What's actually happening here is the the obsessive trans activists who monitor this site are attempting to pick off posters one by one. We lost Orchid last week, and she was just the most recent of many. I'm not sure in MNHQ realize that's happening and welcome it or if it's somehow escaped their notice, but it's a pretty messed up thing for them to be allowing to happen to their users, in my opinion. Are they going to allow this to continue until the only commenters left in this forum are the TRAs who want the entire site shut down?

I know the people who despise the women here would very much like this to all happen under the radar, and that's exactly why I'm not allowing it to play out that way.

Something does seem to have gone very badly wrong with Orchid and those particular threads. Some of the lack of clarity in the guidelines is to allow for context (which I tend to think is a good thing, on the whole) but the context in this case sucks.

Targeting. Someone/s apparently wanted Orchid gone and apparently from the perspective of HQ that person/those people are far more important than a loyal user who's been helpful to many other women like Orchid.

Something does seem to have gone very badly wrong with Orchid and those particular threads.

Yes.

I wonder if they have new trigger happy moderators? They seem to have doubled down in the deletions and there has definitely been an influx of TRA supporters recently. They will take one comment that they view as proof that women being ‘hysterical’ and comment continuously on that post in order to derail a thread. I’ve seen that happen over the last 24hrs. The TRAs are definitely trying to get rid of the posters they deem a threat.

I'm looking at the M&S thread and parts of it are swiss cheese, with deletions for commenters who are typically moderate and polite. If this is a case of new mods then perhaps they should be let loose on a less contentious forum to start with, because right now they seem to be deleting anything that is complained about, and some people complain about everything.

Just a note to say that I agree with OP and I think that MNHQ should cater to women and not to other groups.

Of course, now that this thread has been posted we that have made comments will no doubt be stalked by the TRAs.

Eh, most of us already were.

(Waves at Oflang)

MNHQ is incorrect with regard to most people identifying as the opposite sex rather than as transgender.

Targeting. Someone/s apparently wanted Orchid gone and apparently from the perspective of HQ that person/those people are far more important than a loyal user who's been helpful to many other women like Orchid.

WTF is going on with all this banning of women by mods who claim that it almost never happens? Are we being gaslit?

If FWR is going to have its own set of rules, and its own set of problems with TRA Monitors vexatiously reporting people, the FWR should have its own set of moderators who are carefully selected by Justine as being able to be fair in their application of the rules.

Perhaps we can use this thread for everyone to post about questionable deletions and/or strikes they've received. Normally I'm too British to kick up a fuss, but doing so seems to have worked very well for the monitors, so if needs must then I suppose that's what we're going to have to do.

(Or the mods could just be reasonable and meet us halfway.)

This affects me a lot, SpartacusAutisticus. I have never found being circuitous easy. Or concealment/lying. I always wondered why DM always said I was more honest than she is (she's far more unselfish) and now I have an ASD diagnosis I know why.

If I want to reply to a thread these days I either post a very short comment or, if I really feel strongly, I have to allow a significant amount of time first to compose a post and then double and triple check it for guidelines breaches. This whole business has near enough silenced me.

It's awful that HQ will just throw their loyal users under the bus like this - and for what? A small number of very vocal transactivists, who demand that women don't discuss their rights, or the safeguarding of children.

Orchid had been here 14yrs? And gone after a completely innocuous comment.

I've been here for a decade (I can hardly believe that!) - but my username won't reflect that - because I've de-rgeged, and then re-regged several times. (after Jeff the hacker, after that intern published people's IP addresses on twitter, and when the lawyer-who-shall-no- be-named started demanding user's personal information in the court.)

MNHQ - you actually want to throw away your core users because they don't agree with gender ideology?? Your moderation in practice does not tally with Justine's statements in the press. This is not fair play IMO.

And Spartacus I agree with you.

If I want to reply to a thread these days I either post a very short comment or, if I really feel strongly, I have to allow a significant amount of time first to compose a post and then double and triple check it for guidelines breaches. This whole business has near enough silenced me.

And that is a most excellent response to the comment I didn't respond to earlier because MN discourages trollhunting.

Also: it's fucking racist to compare black women to people who aren't women. RACIST. Are we not allowed to name racism if it offends the sacred caste?

Yeah. 'Black women are women in the same way males are women.'

I just wanted to add my support. I'm absolutely shocked at the heavy handed, anti actual real woman moderating.

Mumsnet might consider who they cater to and who has made them so successful before they alienate their core membership, if it's not already too late.

Solidarity, sisters.

Indeed, Not. Maybe I should add that to my name - Given A Strike For Pointing Out That TRAs Are Being Racist.

(And homophobic)

Racist, misogynistic and deluded.

I don't see how tra's get away with their threats of physical violence towards people who won't participate in their delusion, but women get shut down for talking without threat or malice, just truth! It's not fair!

Like this kittens?

I thought we weren't meant to get strikes for quoting a post - but hey, make up the rules as we go along

I couldn't be arsed to argue it tbh.

Incidentally, there is another "zebra" posting on here all of a sudden - posting some pretty anti-women stuff. I'd like to point out that it is not me. I may have to adopt another animal now

I do believe we were told that there would be no strikes for quoting posts, so we can add that to the list of questions for MNHQ, since they will apparently be taking a look at my terrible evil not properly female socialized into meek acceptance at all post.

Stealing our names appears to be the latest fad on MN.