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BBC news website’s pro “sex work” propaganda.

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SirVixofVixHall · 04/11/2019 11:31

This is the third similarly themed article in about a week. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-nottinghamshire-50268107/sex-worker-i-need-to-work-and-this-type-of-work-suits-me
Yesterday I saw this one, where a woman used sex text lines to clear her debt. Fairly innocuous in itself, but I sense an increasing push to normalise prostitution. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-50161306/how-i-cleared-my-20k-debt

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TheQueef · 04/11/2019 11:33

I saw that and thought the same.
They are more cautious about promoting mlms ffs.

escapade1234 · 04/11/2019 11:35

The BBC have a strong liberal agenda and push it at every opportunity.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/11/2019 11:38

A tiny shift from this to women being told that “sex work” is a viable option if they can’t find a job.

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Driechdrizzle · 04/11/2019 11:41

Oh that is a really weird piece of coverage. They try to frame it as a woman needing a home for her family and facing discrimination because of it, then she goes on to say she wants to work with other women "because it's safer", but that would be running a brothel which is illegal so she can't. So what is she saying, is she trying to rent to house her family or is she selling sex out of a property? I'm pretty sure most landlords would not want to rent to someone who was inviting sex punters to their premises day and night.

Also this thing about having to be safe. That's never unpacked is it? Who does she need to be safe from? We all know don't we? She needs to be safe from the men who pay her for sex because a lot of them are dangerous. But apparently it's a job like any other.

The BBC are obviously trying to push the legalisation/decriminalisation line, just trying to do it subtly. They are pretty obvious though.

BarbaraStrozzi · 04/11/2019 11:42

I just spotted that item too, and reacted the same way. Yet another "yay, choosy choice" article. I never seem to see pieces on the downsides of prostitution from the BBC.

Someone on their editorial team is wholeheartedly begin legalisation and is slanting their content accordingly.

AgeLikeWine · 04/11/2019 11:46

Those women are perfectly entitled to choose to do sex work. Their lives, their bodies, their choice.

It is entirely reasonable and legitimate for the BBC to reflect the fact that many women who choose to work in the sex industry reject ideologically driven authoritarian propaganda which seeks to take away their freedom of choice.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/11/2019 12:00

So prostitution is a “choice” , a choice made by women on a level playing field with other women ? Amazing then that all those well educated and affluent women don’t choose it as a pin money job.
I simply don’t have room for my eyes to roll as much as they need to at that ridiculous comment.
The day parents boast of their daughter’s great new job being coercively raped for cash, or trafficked into another country, then I might believe you.

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OhHolyJesus · 04/11/2019 12:07

It wouldn't surprise anyone here to know that whilst there's no evidence or stats I can share there were a fair few 'punters' (gross phrase) in my time working there and in the 60s/70s when my mum worked there.

I'm not at all surprised that this agenda is being pushed. Waiting for it to hit CBBC/CBeebies.

Shesaidwhay · 04/11/2019 12:14

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Driechdrizzle · 04/11/2019 12:16

I only want to use authoritarian propaganda to take away men's "choice" to pay to use women for sex. Women can do what they like.

The term "sex industry" gives the game away. Women are the product.

ChuckleBuckles · 04/11/2019 12:19

If any other industry reported that 57% of women employed in that industry had been raped during employment, 59% raped 6 times or more, 64% were threatened with a weapon and 73% physically assaulted while carrying out their jobs, I don't think anyone would argue that it was a perfectly respectable form of employment and that many women were choosing to enter into the role without any form of coercion.

For those women that "choose" to go into prostitution 72% were abused sexually as children, 50% were homeless and 50% started their "working" life before they were 18, so really what choice had these young women and children, how many were likely to end up in a loving, caring relationship and be supported into higher education and other opportunities?

Driechdrizzle · 04/11/2019 12:25

Wow that BBC clip of the kitten girl is shocking. Their target market is 16-34 so they are basically promoting BDSM and selling pornographic pictures online to sixteen year old girls. That's definitely worth a complaint to them.

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/bbc-three-switchover

She still hates her body so this BS 'body positivity' is basically taking your clothes off for men to wank over.

Where the hell is the "balance" they're always claiming to have? Pro-men buying women and girls all the way it looks like.

Alittleunknown · 04/11/2019 12:26

For those women that "choose" to go into prostitution 72% were abused sexually as children, 50% were homeless and 50% started their "working" life before they were 18, so really what choice had these young women and children, how many were likely to end up in a loving, caring relationship and be supported into higher education and other opportunities?

Sorry when did prostitutes become responsible for this? These are all things caused by men. Not other prostitutes.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 04/11/2019 12:31

I see the klaxon has gone off at Pimp House.

ChuckleBuckles · 04/11/2019 12:32

@Alittleunknown My badly made point was that for those that say that women choose to go into this type of work freely, that is really not the case the women are they for many complex reasons, financial hardship and a history of previous sexual abuse abuse making them further vulnerable to an ongoing life of abuse.

My point was poorly made, but; vulnerable previously abused women will end in situations that see them abused again, situations like prostitution.

ChipOnMyOvary · 04/11/2019 12:34

She wasnt saying that. Sexual abuse in childhood, homelessness in adulthood, these experiences take away your choices in life and make you vulnerable to exploitation.

BarbaraStrozzi · 04/11/2019 12:34

No-one is saying that prostitutes are responsible for these things. Clearly men are responsible.

The stats however indicate that it is an "industry" which cannot be made safe. Furthermore, it is an "industry" which is unnecessary: no man ever died from not being able to have sex.

So the obvious solution is to criminalise the people responsible for the rapes and murders, namely the (overwhelmingly) male punters and pimps. Which is what the Nordic model aims to do.

CharlieParley · 04/11/2019 12:49

In addition to the abuse mentioned by pp, an industry that 99% of workers wanted to leave but were trapped in and unable to do so because their bosses won't let them, or whose addictions and prior trauma prevent them from freely chosing or rejecting said job would have the police, the government and all kinds of agencies and pressure group trying to shut it down. Not unlike slavery or indentured labour which are also not legal in the UK.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 04/11/2019 13:17

My point was poorly made

No it wasn't. It isn't always obvious when people are deliberately misunderstanding in order to prop up the pimp/punter agenda but it frequently happens on these threads. I have no way to know whether that was a genuine misunderstanding or not but the fault wasn't with your point.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 04/11/2019 13:27

ChucklesBuckles do you have a link for those stats? They’d be fantastic in my complaint to the BBC

Driechdrizzle · 04/11/2019 13:48

Agree it was very clear the point you were making ChuckleBuckles.

CarolCutrere · 04/11/2019 13:58

Are the BBC really saying that this young person is ‘dealing’ with her mental health issues in a healthy way

This refers to the kitten girl. I've seen that clip before and commented on it without linking to it as it's so exploitative. Such a sweet, lovely young woman. It's so sad. The BBC should not have posted it.

FannyCann · 04/11/2019 14:04

Those women are perfectly entitled to choose to do sex work. Their lives, their bodies, their choice*

6 posts in. When threads like this start I make a mental bet how long it will be before the "free choice" brigade rock up. Just like the pro porn "I love a bit of strangulation, it's so liberating" brigade. 

I like the occasional bet if the odds are in my favour. The chances of your argument being positively received on this board @AgeLikeWine are very slim. Even slimmer are the chances of you convincing anyone of the validity of your argument. Hmm

CarolCutrere · 04/11/2019 14:05

As for the woman working as a prostitute- you are right re landlords. I'm a landlord and I would not lease a flat to you and I would evict you if I found out you were a prostitute.

I don't want your scummy punters in my property. I don't want the other occupiers in the block meeting your scummy punters.

Driechdrizzle · 04/11/2019 14:06

They showed pornographic photographs of the kitten girl too. One where her nipple was half escaping from her bra. Really disgraceful that they're putting something like that on TV and on their website.

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