LET'S GET LABOUR TO PROTECT SINGLE-SEX SPACES

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You don't have to be a member to write in a suggestion for the manifesto. In my CLP many people agree with me about this but also seem to see it as a 'niche' issue that 'doesn't come up on the doorstep'. Let's show them how much it matters to us.
labour.org.uk/manifesto-2019/

Also, don't forget to get in touch with your Labour candidate, especially if you're in a marginal.

You have more chance of teaching a pig to fly.

I put this:

Recognition of what a woman actually is, upholding of the Equality Act 2010 (SEX not gender), preservation of women only shortlists for ACTUAL WOMEN and protection of single sex spaces (toilets, changing rooms, sports) for the sound biology-based reasons we've always had them. If we have this I'll feel able to vote for you again; currently the ingrained misogyny means that I can't.

I'll do it with regard to upholding EqA and poor data resulting in an inability to formulate all other policies so that they benefit women.

But Captain is correct. There is no chance of a change. Labour is subject to complete policy capture on this.

Also, don't forget to get in touch with your Labour candidate, especially if you're in a marginal.

Seconded. My Labour candidate is GC and not being open about it at the moment. I'm trying to persuade her that there are more votes in her coming out as being in favour of protecting women's sex-based rights, even with the social media furore that there would undoubtedly be, than in her remaining silent. The more people she hears from, the more likely that she'll begin speaking out.

Thanks tea I used that as a starting point for mine. I'm OK once I get started, but I often need a short framework to get going

I ended by asking them to look up the term regulatory capture!

Ooo nice, Samphire

If their minds could be changed on this they would win so many votes. If they genuinely cared about the poor GRA reform would not be in the manifesto as their aim should be to win power and they have persuaded few outside of their woke niche that it is necessary and their blind rush towards it has alienated so many sensible voters.

Would a mass mailing of Simon Fanshawe's article help labour MPs and candidates see the light? It is so comprehensive and so measured.

Labour are fully onboard the transtrain to wokeville. That and the antisemitism makes them unelectable to me.

Right side of history = wrong side of the House of Commons. Maybe then they'll get it.

My Labour MP is full on TWAW.
Sports - women should just try harder
Strangely enough she got her very safe seat via an AWS.
I guess she'd be quite happy for them to all be TW shortlists.

I've filled out the form, although I do not hold out much hope for Labour to do a u-turn on this.

Does somebody want to do a template for us to send? I'm short on time with all my other T**Fing.

I don't think you're ever going to wrench the wheel around on that speeding tanker. Labour in its current incarnation is an anti female party, it has been demonstrated repeatedly, and I wouldn't trust or vote for them regardless of what went on their manifesto at this point.

I keep getting an error message when I try to send.

We may have filled their inbox

Maybe! So frustrating though.

Labour isn't one thing. Labour is made up of members who all have different views ranging from TRA to GC with indifferent and ignorant inbetween. Members can influence decision-making. At the end of this election we are going to have either a Labour-led government or a Conservative-led government, that is a reality. I am sickened by the response of many in the Labour party to this issue but we are not powerless here. If you agree with their other policies, join the Labour party and start conversations, make lists of who is GC. Get enough people together to make a difference. There is safety in numbers. Run for officer positions, support GC candidates for the NEC etc with your vote. I left a few months ago and realised it didn't make a blind bit of different. No one cared that I'd taken my bat and ball home. That is not how you get change. Change is slow and it takes effort and cunning.

Incidentally, this kind of approach is precisely why the TRAs have been so effective at regulatory capture. Play them at their own game. Does anyone think Aimee Challenor joined the Greens and then the Lib Dems for any other reason?

I'm in one of the most marginal seats in the country. I've written to my Labour MP twice and had one 'shut up transphobe' response that didn't address any of the points I raised at all. I did consider sending the Simon Fanshaw article, but there's no point. She's made her lack of thoughts crystal clear and for that reason won't be getting my vote this time around.

The trouble is, it's such a tight race between Tory and Labour that a vote for any other party is a shout into the void. To have a chance of keeping her from getting a second term I need to vote Tory, and that feels like a desperate pact with the devil.

We can't play them at their game, because, we are women and it doesn't work that way for us.
People who support genderism just don't see us as fully human.

Genderism is fundamentally not left wing and there are a fair few people in the Labour party who know that. They just aren't shouting about it, frustratingly.

Sorry to hear that AbsintheFriends. That's rubbish :-(

I have started a spreadsheet of members who are sympathetic to the GC position. I will gradually try to add to it and then when the time comes to have a vote make sure they go to the meeting. I'm told this is how it is done. I think I have to play the long game. Women (particularly working class women) are affected by more than just self-ID. I know it underpins everything but so does having enough to feed your kids.

I posted about this a week ago and my thread was deleted. Good luck.