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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NSPCC Again

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SunsetBeetch · 23/10/2019 22:10

"Head of ‘child safety’ at the NSPCC. More parts of a terrible jigsaw now falling into place. Can you see what it is yet? t.co/nJKd5nYt1B "

"Bizarre and concerning response of NSPCC to those worried about the antics of one of its employees maybe not so much a mystery now t.co/N0KNloLCxl "

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HandsOffMyRights · 02/11/2019 10:58

Wasn't it the NSPCC who chastised/wheeled out the 'phobe' threat when concerned parents on Twitter were aghast at the huge red safeguarding flags re Munroe asking children to contact them 'in secret' without their parents' knowledge?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 02/11/2019 10:58

There comment about transgender children seems to link in with the post where Tony is being abusive about LGB Alliance. In that context it seems NSPCC are backing him.

FleetsumNJetsum · 02/11/2019 10:59

"our policy statement emphasises that we are committed to be there for all children, protecting and supporting all children regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. We are committed to ensuring that trans, non-binary and gender non-conforming children feel safe and supported. We are proud to be an organisation that is allied to the LGBTQ+ community"

Do children have a gender identity? I don't even think they can be said to have a sexual orientation. That is really messing with my head. Children have a sex-- girl or boy. But they are not yet sexual beings. Why is the NSPCC pushing this new gender-speak onto children, when they should just be children? I smell an agenda here, or is it just me?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 02/11/2019 10:59

*Their

HandsOffMyRights · 02/11/2019 11:00

I'm sure they accused parents of bullying when they were concerned about safeguarding.

Lazy and dangerous behaviour for such charities.

BadgertheBodger · 02/11/2019 11:28

Well what a load of absolute horse manure.

All that statement says is that the NSPCC do not give a flying fuck about concerns raised about safeguarding and defining abuse in such a way that it muddies the waters for children who have been abused. The net result of this is that less children will disclose abuse, as the NSPCC have actively chosen a route which makes it harder for them to do so. If you cannot or will not clearly define abuse in such a way that does not push blame onto victims, you have no business being anywhere near those children. None.

Additionally, for the second high-profile time this year, when the NSPCC were alerted that there may have been a social media policy breach (to put it mildly) they have chosen to go with “you’re all bullies” rather than address the issue.

The culture at the NSPCC is starting to look rotten. Like so many other huge charities, the men at the top seem to believe they can behave how they like. We’ve seen this play out elsewhere as sexual harrassment, sexual abuse, a disgraceful lack of safeguarding and no fucks given for the very people the charity was set up to help.

Just to be clear, I’m NOT making any specific accusations. I merely want to point out that there are many worrying aspects which have come to light about the NSPCC this year and I personally feel they should be subject to a rigorous top to bottom independent investigation by an organisation who won’t pull any punches. Really, as a large organisation with statutory powers relating to children, I think this should be a regular occurrence anyway.

merrymouse · 02/11/2019 11:59

We are proud to be an organisation that is allied to the LGBTQ+ community

It seems as though there is a huge cultural problem within the organisation. They shouldn't be claiming allegiance to any adult 'community' in this way, particularly one that is so loosely defined. If you take safeguarding seriously you have to ignore community alliances, whether that is to a religion a football team or a special interest group. Their purpose is child protection. You have to be able to put child protection first, even when that means exposing a scandal.

How many children didn't feel they could talk about abuse because they were told that they would be letting the side down and not supporting the community? How many children were told that that it was rude to have boundaries? How many children put up with abuse because they were forced to take on the burden of protecting the community?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 02/11/2019 12:01

Agree Badger and after they have investigated NSPCC they should do the same at EHRC (or better, do them both together starting on Monday). Unfortunately such an organisation would probably already have been captured.

Datun · 02/11/2019 12:04

How many children put up with abuse because they were forced to take on the burden of protecting the community?

Well quite. How do they deal with children whose fathers transition in middle age and want to be called mum?

You can't blindly support an entire community of adults when your remit is about protecting children.

It's a direct conflict.

'Communities', and your support or lack of, should not be entering it. Children. That's where it starts and ends.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 02/11/2019 12:11

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BadgertheBodger · 02/11/2019 13:44

Birdsfoot

Spot on, but so utterly horrifying. Who loses out? Children who have been subjected to the most appalling betrayal.

Wheat2Harvest · 02/11/2019 13:53

I bet dear old ladies who leave their massive houses to the NSPCC have no idea about stuff like this.

They won't get a brass farthing out of me.

HumberHellraiser · 02/11/2019 14:21

And exactly why do they very specifically wish to assert they are allies to groups for adult sexuality, gender identity, queerness and presumably the other letters implied by the + sign in their description.

These are adult issues and adult concepts. Why is a children’s charity so assertive in their alliedship to very specific adult matters?

I’m trying to get my head around it. Unsuccessfully.

allmywhat · 02/11/2019 14:29

Do they not want women to work there?

Women are more likely to be corporate whistleblowers than men are, so possibly not.

Datun · 02/11/2019 15:08

These are adult issues and adult concepts. Why is a children’s charity so assertive in their alliedship to very specific adult matters?

Indeed. Whilst engaging celebrities for Childline who encourage children to secretly contact them. Call people bullies who object to a rubber wearing man masturbating in their toilets, and can't see why women might feel a bit ugh at a high up employee banging on about horny pregnant women on his train.

Who the fuck is running the place?

LangCleg · 02/11/2019 15:17

Who the fuck is running the place?

Rent seekers. It's a cronyist, nepotistic, very small circle of people who go from one Third Sector Industrial Complex job to another. This sector is now a career path for middle class people who don't want to go into business.

I'd read this and then think about large corporate charities giving up on charitable work in favour of lobbying and then think about why we are where we are. Because where we are has nothing to do with the best interests of the truly vulnerable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

HandsOffMyRights · 02/11/2019 15:28

And let's not forget that two trustees of the NSPCC have some poweful connections that could explain why there is little media exposure. Screenshots from MN

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Melroses · 02/11/2019 15:40

Do children have a gender identity? I don't even think they can be said to have a sexual orientation. That is really messing with my head. Children have a sex-- girl or boy. But they are not yet sexual beings. Why is the NSPCC pushing this new gender-speak onto children, when they should just be children? I smell an agenda here, or is it just me?

Just reiterating what others are saying. These are adult issues and not of concern to children. They are supposed to be Protecting children. The clue is in the name.

Off to read about rent-seeking. Lang often comes up with illustrations of concepts that I had no idea of (like the Institutional Capture) yet they turn out to be both fascinating and helpful in understanding how the world around me works.

HandsOffMyRights · 02/11/2019 15:49

This is a blog about the NSPCC's recent actions. It goes up to mid October, but is useful to show the charity's tweets and approaches to child safeguarding in light of Munroe, Makings etc.

makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/nspcc-speak-out-get-banned

Dangerfloof · 02/11/2019 15:52

The NSPCC is now telling children only to report (tell a trusted adult)
if an adult touches them and it upsets them

It's just occured to me that this could be used later in court (assuming it ever got that far) if it didnt upset the child, it cant be abuse. I can see that being trotted out in a courtroom.

Going back some years one of my children was assaulted and when the police came for a statement one of the questions was how did it make you feel (being beaten up)
I remember rolling my eyes at this,. There were obvious bruises and scratches and ripped clothes. What the fuck were feelings going to matter in court.
This is the same thing. I guess unless my child felt bad/terrible/hurt/upset etc then the beating didnt matter.

HandsOffMyRights · 02/11/2019 15:55

The blog is worth a read as it goes back to PIE to give context.
It also tells how The Guardian (remember the trustee's link with the paper upthread?) reframed parents' outcry over Rubberman into one of bigotry.

The NSPCC tweeted this to its followers

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HumberHellraiser · 02/11/2019 16:02

If you are wealthy and influential, then you can easily step into senior charitable sector roles with little or no relevant experience. All you need is an interest in that charity and want to be a director or trustee.

Here is a good example. Simon Lande, multi million pound digital tech entrepreneur, recruited to Director of Fundraising and Engagement at the NSPCC from 2017.

Even the press at the time questioned his relevant experience. He was a volunteer on the Speak Out Stay Safe campaign previously and particularly interested in transforming their brand to attract new sources of funding. As well as engage new partners. He left quite soon after (18 months in the role) to return to a non specified voluntary support role.

Now I’m sure Simon is a solid gold philanthropist and all round good egg. But it does make me wonder how wealthy men with no relevant skill sets can hop around senior positions like this, change the whole agenda and then step quietly away again to obscurity.

www.thirdsector.co.uk/ex-technology-entrepreneur-joins-nspcc-fundraising-director/management/article/1427908

HumberHellraiser · 02/11/2019 16:26

In the article linked above, the NSPCC state that Simon was recruited after a highly competitive process.

However here, it is clearly stated that not only was he volunteering for them, but that his tech company had been providing services to the NSPCC for free for several years previously.

sjpentrepreneurclub.co.uk/article/working-for-a-good-cause#

Now again, Simon is probably a salt of the earth chap. But I’m often involved in recruiting at senior management and exec level, and anyone landing a paid exec role after a long history of providing free products and services, would make me very uneasy about how ‘robust’ that recruitment process was.

Tootsweets23 · 26/11/2019 10:51

NSPCC hiring a director of marketing and communications. Hopefully they'll hire someone who doesn't employ blokes who wear fetish gear to work.

Tootsweets23 · 26/11/2019 10:53

Oops here's the link. www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/1580587826