Woke DD and women in sports

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My eldest DD has recently finished at a woker than woke uni and is terribly woke now. She would consider herself a feminist but just doesn't get the issues with self ID and sport.

I usually avoid the subject because her attitude is one of the few things that we disagree on, but I did bring up women's sports today.

She tried all the usual 'but aren't they entitled to do sport' arguments but I just kept centering the women and how massively unfair it is and she just had no answers .

I'm really hoping that I have sowed some seeds, and now she is not at uni she will start to see the light.

I think the one that most brings home male advantage to me is the shot putt world record.

For men it is 23.12 meters
For women it is 22.63 meters.

Sounds pretty close, right? Until you remember the men's shot putt weighs almost twice as much as the women's, 7.26 kilograms (16lbs) as opposed to 4 kilograms (8.8lbs).

Edited to add: having googled myself, I see there are several similar things going on at the moment. Some aren't doing too well. This one was started today and it progressing quickly.

There are a few transmen in sport, they get talked about a lot less though as everyone sees them as at a disadvantage in Mens sports. Patricio Manuel in boxing, Chris Mosier in triathlon, Mack Beggs in wrestling and Harrison Browne who has now retired from professional ice hockey are just a few.

Yes, but Mack Beggs competes against women -- or used to, not sure if still does.

Also not exactly fair, given that women are not allowed to dope with testosterone.

Mack Beggs recognised the advantage he held over the women he had been competing against because of the testosterone he takes. In spite of the knowledge that he'd be at a disadvantage vs men due to going through female puberty, he still campaigned (successfully) to be allowed to compete in the category he felt would be more fair.

Depending on where they're competing and what sport they're competing in it can be really difficult for transmen to compete at all due to anti-doping laws as each individual sports federation or organisation decide on their own eligibility for trans athletes. For professional athletes to take tesosterone they'd also have to apply for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) from the World Anti-Doping Agency and fulfil any other criteria the governing board demanded. So it's a bit tricky as they can either take testosterone and fulfil the checklist under regular monitoring or they can compete without any testosterone and have a really hard time.

I feel there's probably fewer transmen at professional levels due to all of the hoops they have to jump through, which is fair as it could be very easy for them to abuse testosterone while competing, but it also makes it very difficult for transmen who just want to take the testosterone they need to transition while competing in a sport they're passionate about.

It would be so much easier if sports (and changing rooms and prisons etc) were all just recategorised as
Penis
Vagina

There is a bar in Manchester that doesn’t have any words on its toilet doors, just cartoons of a penis and a vagina.

No, not penis/vagina, then those XY people who have had cosmetic surgery to flay and invert their penises are not excluded from women's spaces as they should be given their offending patterns are no different to any other men.

XX/XY, with exceptions only for those XYs who were born with DSDs that cause a mismatch between genotype and phenotype.

It's not been that long since women could compete in a lot of sports. Think of the Boston marathon and the woman who entered illegally and was rugby tackled down and dragged off, by men. This wasn't hundreds of years ago it was late 1960s. Women have fought on her behalf for the right to compete and now we are giving it away in less than 50 years.
kathrineswitzer.com/1967-boston-marathon-the-real-story/

I'm 45. I remember watching athletics when women did not pole vault, ran 3000m instead of 5000m, did not have a hammer throw, did not run a steeplechase, had a pentathlon (and we still don't have a full decathlon). I may be missing a few, but parity has only very recently come close.