Liz Truss criticised for saying she wants to protect "single-sex spaces and vulnerable women" re GRA in House of Commons

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I found these quotes in an article about making IWD a public holiday and haven't had time tocheck in They Work For You / Hansard.

She seems to be more willing to make needing to protect women that Dawn Butler and Christine Jardine who are all about how horrible it is for trans people that GRA has not been passed.

Shadow women and equalities secretary Dawn Butler told MPs the government has been "kicking the can down the road" over reform of the Gender Recognition Act.

She said violence against transgender people has increased, and that more needs to be done to help.

Speaking in the Commons, Ms Butler said: "This reform of the Gender Recognition Act was promised in 2016.

"The minister doesn't need to look at it carefully, the minister just needs to expose what came out of the consultation and amend the Act, as promised.

"And the minister needs to stop kicking the can down the road. There has been a 37% increase in hate crime against transgender people.

"The minister is just exacerbating the pain and the hurt in the LGBT+ community."

Ms Truss replied: "I completely condemn the violence against trans people, and the Home Office and my colleague, the minister, is doing a lot of work to combat this."

Ms Truss said the new rules need to be worked out carefully to make sure everyone gets proper protection.

She said: "I won't be rushed into it. I'm very keen that we protect single-sex spaces and vulnerable women, and we don't rush into reform before we've had the full, proper discussion."

Liberal Democrat equalities spokeswoman Christine Jardine said trans people are facing abuse and violence for simply being who they are.

She accused the government of being the "most right-wing government in decades", and called for more rapid progress on the Gender Recognition Act.

www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/barry-sheerman-calls-extra-bank-17105742

Previous thread here has links to Hansard

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3720346-Liz-Truss-speaks-in-support-of-single-sex-spaces

if Labour are making things worse for half the population by not supporting women a vote for them is not a vote for the people.

As solidly working class I don't see anything in Corbyn that suggests he has any idea how to support working class people either.

We're down to selecting least bad out of a terrible set of options, and Labour and LibDem are not the least bad for women. That doesn't make me right wing.

I will not blindly support ideology, that way dictators get into power

If Labour get in, self ID is a given, women will have all rights eradicated instantly. Jeremy Corbyn knows this & doesn’t care.

No mention of the fact that any increase in 'hate crime' against women can't be measured, because violence and verbal abuse of women isn't considered one of those specially awful hate crimes, just one of the common or garden kinds the police don't bother to investigate. Suck it up ladies. Be more careful.

Exactly.

Misogynistic hate crime is so common that people don't even see it as hate crime, its just 'one of those things'.

Fuck Labour.

If Labour get in, self ID is a given, women will have all rights eradicated instantly. Jeremy Corbyn knows this & doesn’t care.

It's worth highlighting this.

I might send a card to support Liz Truss!
Good for her, and I'm life-long labour

Why does any amount of hate or crime against a subset of men by other men mean they should all be allowed in women’s spaces? Why does the mental health, difficult surgery or pain of some men mean women must not be allowed any sex based rights?

I wonder, how many contributors to this thread actually know any trans women? What threat to cis women do you think trans women are? There seems to be a lot of anger aimed at a group of people that few of you are personally involved with.

Cos women? What are cis women? The word is woman or women , the rest are sub categories invented for personal use by individuals.

@Connie68 do not call me Cis. I am not Cis anything, I am a woman and it is insulting to me that you use a term that makes me a subset of my own sex. I suggest you do your own research and look at the threads on here.

What threat to cis women do you think trans women are?

Ask the victims of Karen White who were sexually assaulted whilst incarcerated.

Why does any amount of hate or crime against a subset of men by other men mean they should all be allowed in women’s spaces? Why does the mental health, difficult surgery or pain of some men mean women must not be allowed any sex based rights?

Exactly Birds those two questions need to be asked over and over again.

Oh, and Connie I know several Transwomen. The greatest threat to their mental health is the people who lie to them and encourage them to believe untruths.

'I wonder, how many contributors to this thread actually know any trans women? '

Probably most.
I certainly do. And suddenly lots of transmen, due to the way girls transition in clusters.

I have never understood the assumption that people with concerns about transactivism don't know transwomen - very often it is seeing first hand how the activism manipulates or harms our friends that makes us investigate more deeply.

Cis is the opposite of trans. I am not aware, TiredofthisBS, (your choice of user-name does suggest a certain amount of closed-mindedness, though), that I have personally referred to you as cis anything. The term 'woman' is man-made so it is ironic that 'cis' should cause such fury. And I have done my research into this, extensively.

Statistically, transwomen pose exactly the same threat to women as men. This is a much higher threat than women pose to other women. It's just a fact. The average rapist gets off becuase he is such a nice man and she must surely be lying.

Transwomen who look and smell and sound like men also cause the same instinctive fear reaction in women, especially those who have already been abused. Now I know that many people thing a women's feelings and pain should be ignored but I don't see why.

Cis is a very insulting thing to call the many women who don't believe in gender especially binary gender . Get over it. Don't force your restrictive categorisation on other people

So, trans women are victims of women who support them as women? Or are 'real' women victims of trans women? Sorry, I'm getting confused here.

Does anyone really know the origins of basic words? How do you know that it wasn't a woman who said, hey, I'm different from men, I have a womb, I carry children, I am really 8mportnat and deserve a longer word?

Cis is the opposite of trans.

No it isn't.

@Connie68 yes of course you have dear. Anti vaxxers say the exact same thing. "I've done my research".

Cis is not the opposite of trans at all. As for being closed minded based on my user name. Does say how closed minded you are if you can not see the damage that is being done to women's rights. Doesn't seem you give a toss about women at all.

Mldgebabe. I would very much appreciate the source of your statistics. I'm sure you would be very happy to supply that information here? Many thanks.

My views are as relevant as anyone else's. I for one do not feel my gender is threatened for being referred to as a cis woman.

Trans means moving across, cis means unmoving. They are from the Greek language. Next.

My views are as relevant as anyone else's. I for one do not feel my gender is threatened for being referred to as a cis woman.

Your gender isn't threatened, but most posters here do not believe in gender, as it's based on harmful stereotypes.

They're from Latin, Connie. While we're talking about research.

My children are vaccinated, I did my research.
How are women's rights threatened by trans women?
And why, if I support trans women's rights, does that make me anti- women?
And why do you argue that you are supporters of women - then turn on women who do not share your views?