Thames Valley police accused of "incredible irresponsibility " over stickers

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/14/police-response-transphobic-stickers-branded-extraordinary/

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/a-transphobic-crime-wave-has-hit-oxford/

The police said that the content and appearance of the stickers "Woman = adult human female" and "Women don't have penises"
was "not suitable for sharing."

So the truth is not suitable for the delicate eyes of the public.

TRAs are apparently removing the labels and replacing them with "Non binary finery" and "trans women are women".

Meanwhile back in the real world where women are murdered and assaulted.....

The police don't help their cause by making themselves a laughing stock.

I must get some of those stickers.

Good on them. They can't do their jobs at the best of times, they have no real chance of policing language.

"If it was a racist sticker then I think it would be classified as a hate crime."

So, how would that work?

"Black: any human group having dark-coloured skin"

A hate crime?

So, how would that work?

If it was racist it would be a hate crime.

So, if it said something racist it would be a hate crime.
We have a twisting of logic here to make it sound bad, they have to do this all the time.

I like the Spectator's sarcastic headline.

This is a disgraceful waste of police resources. I find it unbelievably offensive for the dictionary definition of what I am to be considered a crime.

If it was racist it would be a hate crime.

"If this was something else entirely it would be something else entirely". How does that work?

A handy phrase of my BiL's if anyone said anything ridiculously catastrophising prefaced with 'if' was "If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle".

"If this was something else entirely it would be something else entirely". How does that work?

It works because it links the two in peoples heads.

If these stickers gave off large amounts of radiation, it'll lead to radiation poisoning.

Radio 4 news just now - home office figures show a 10% rise in hate crimes. Transphobic hate crime has gone up significantly (didn't say what proportion of the 10%).
Do you think they record a hate crime for every sticker they find?

This is from Danny Shaw BBC on Twitter and I am not sure if these are reported crimes or convictions:
BREAKING: There's been a ten per cent rise in hate crimes recorded by police in England and Wales.
@ukhomeoffice
figures show there were 103,379 offences in 2018-19 - a record number. Race hate crimes accounted for 3/4 of offences, 78,991, a rise of 11% on the year before.
Transgender hate crime went up 37%, sexual orientation hate up 25%, disability hate up 14% and religious hate up 3%. Over half of hate crimes recorded by police were for public order offences, over a third for violence, 5% for criminal damage & arson offences.

Just under half of religious hate crime offences were targeted against Muslims, almost one in five were directed against Jewish people. There were spikes in religious/race hate crime in May, June, July 2018 & in March 2019.

Three quarters of those hate crime figures are related to race apparently. So part of the remaining third may be gender id related.

Oh thank iminthewrong good breakdowns

TVP have recently been reported as not recording 1 in 12 rapes correctly

And 12 % percent of crimes not reported correctly.

Out of 1419 cases analyses 379 were linked to domestic abuse.

Of course they care more about women being offensive with stickers

Those percentages are utterly meaningless to the general public without grounding them in real numbers and an account of the actual offenses. Hate crime is a wiiiiide umbrella.

The race equivalent would be stating facts such as “people with ginger hair should take care in the sun” or “Afro Caribbean people are more likely to suffer from sickle
Cell anaemia”

I doubt either of those would be classed as hate speech?

Sounds bad though, doesn't it. Great for propaganda purposes. Like this:

twitter.com/chrispjgodfrey/status/1184040235652603904?s=21

Hate crime is where a criminal offense took place motivated or exacerbated by prejudice. It cannot be a crime without the criminal offense.

Hate 'incident' is anything, at all, logged by police that was reported as causing someone offense. There is no threshold of what counts, no time the police ever say no, that's not an offense/not offensive, it can be verbal, it can be on social media, anywhere, and includes things such as misgendering, using the wrong name, making statements of reality etc.

As seen by how many people arrested now, isn't chargeable and does not involve the breaking of the law, and is very questionable as something the police should be involved in as it involves politicisation of the police (Note that death threats, rape threats, pictures of males holding murder weapons on twitter never followed up at all) and represents a massive public purse cost. Which the general public repeatedly don't appear to be on board with.

I wonder who it benefits to try and conflate a subjective 'offense' merely recorded without question, with a 'hate crime'?

The problem is, if you can self identify into a characteristic, and it’s a wholly subjective thing, you can then make any objective definition of that characteristic ‘hate speech’.

So if I identify as a wombat, the dictionary definition of wombat automatically becomes hate speech.

Oh and who was it who encouraged people to report those incidents as often as possible with the stated intent of inflating the statistics?

I'd like to see a breakdown of what those incidents actually consisted of and how many were made by the same individual. That information needs to be put in the public domain separately from hate crime which involved an actual criminal offense if those statistics are going to be used to inform policy. The word 'hate crime' is being flung around so much it's now totally bent beyond any recognisable meaning to the average person in the street.

The race equivalent would be 'black people are black people'

So if they regard the definition of woman as hateful and transphobic, will they arrest anyone wearing one of Posie's hoodies?

The BBC are guilty of hate crimes for reporting on the tavistock centre. Apparently.

'incident' is anything, at all, logged by police that was reported
Exactly. Statistics are notorious liars.
I rang 101earlier today about a guy knocking on doors in my road selling cleaning products. All I really rang for was some steer on whether they were likely to be legitimate but this has been logged by the police as an incident. Nothing happened, no crime took place, there was no 'incident', just some vague disquiet on my part. I was making an enquiry and happy to be told if there was no cause for concern. But my call will now be collated with similar calls and end up in the 'incident' statistics for my area available for use by anyone with an agenda.

A handy phrase of my BiL's if anyone said anything ridiculously catastrophising prefaced with 'if' was "If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle".

Or my favourite, "If my grandma had wheels she'd be a wagon".

WTF is going on with the police? Is someone high up stunning and brave?

"Hate Incident" is a self-IDing circularity that has no proper place in policing or public policy.

The fact that the police couldn’t bring themselves to divulge the contents of the offensive stickers (in a ‘shiiiit I think we may have fucked up here people’ kind of way is quite telling)

Having to explain your actions to others can make you realise that they may not have been as good an idea as they appeared at the time

I bring my lunch to work in an adult human female tote bag some days

I await the clink of handcuffs