Hilary and Chelsea Clinton discuss trans issues

[zanahoria]

"The one thing she and her mother don’t appear to agree on entirely is the question of transgender self-identification. Their book features Danica Roem, the first trans woman elected to a US state legislature, and when I ask if someone with a beard and a penis can ever be a woman, Chelsea peers at me as if I’ve just asked if the sun rises in the east. “Ye-esss. Yes.” Hillary is looking uneasy. “

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I find Chelsea Clinton baffling.

How can she not have noticed the different treatment of her mother and father? Is she perhaps in denial?

Does she have so much wealth, privilege and childcare that she has insulated herself from all the practical consequences of being born female? Maybe for her it is just about wearing heels?

@BrendaLast nah he’s not that bright! And he would have come up with another nickname for her or maybe he couldn’t think of a zippy one.

It is extraordinary that the words "highly educated" and "incredibly elite" are now regarded as insults in the american political arena.

Highly educated was not meant as an insult it is a fact. I am highly educated for an American and I certainly wouldn't be insulted if someone stated that fact about me. It's just a fact no emotion no inflection no inference necessary it's just factual information.

"In 1996 she became the highest-paid professor at Harvard University who was not a dean, with a $181,300 salary and total compensation of $291,876."

That's incredibly elite.

"Warren was a highly influential law professor. She published in many fields, but her expertise was in bankruptcy and commercial law. From 2005 to 2009 Warren was among the three most-cited scholars in that field."

That's awesomely elite.

Net worth: $12MM

That's beyond the common American's understanding of elite. Her net worth is 4x the bottom rung of the top 5%'s net worth.

What isn't elite about her?

How can she not have noticed the different treatment of her mother and father? Is she perhaps in denial?

This 100x

So what do you want Stopthe Planet? A coal miner with a grade school education to become president? Thanks to the republican supreme court and its "corporations are people too folks" ruling that will never happen - you need serious money to run.

I never said Warren isn't both highly educated and elite. I just don't think those are necessarily bad things. It is a lot better than ignorant and elite which is what we have right now.

I never said Warren isn't both highly educated and elite. I just don't think those are necessarily bad things.

I didn't say they were bad things either, I was making factual statements. Now, here's the kicker - in an environment where the detached elite rule the most vulnerable suffer the most (regardless of education).

Yes Warren is intelligent, yes she is highly educated, and yes incredibly elite but what she isn't is what worries me. Her capitulation to the TRAs would almost be shocking if it wasn't omnipresent in the current list of Dem candidates.

Trump can't deny that he knows what a woman is, he spends to much time singling them out and insulting them to feign confusion. He will forever be the 'grab 'em by the pussy' president.

Trump and Warren are closer to being cut from the same cloth than you think. Both appropriate experiences not belonging to them, both put male feelings/prosperity above female reality, both are wealthier than 95% of the American populace, and both are insulated from and ignorant to the struggles of the typical American. Neither of them demonstrate integrity.

None of our Dem candidates are a good pick, and Trump is a nightmare (Pence is the scariest of all in recent memory).

Gender ideology will see Trump elected again.

Surely the problem of the elites in modern politics is when politicians who are part of one elite pretend in some way that they're not while railing at the "bad" elite. Although it's just yet another game in politics, it is a nakedly cynical tactic that undermines further the public's faith in politics and opens the door for the manipulative populists.

Ah Naomi Wolf. It's like she's addicted to ridicule.

twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1184146278697054210?s=19

"Shameful echoing of UK right-wing-pushed anti-trans sentiment, by Hillary Clinton. If feminists don't speak out against this hateful treatment of trans women/trans people, feminism does not deserve its name. t.co/mUBodXM6ou "

Oh come on now, hardly a credible witness. Xi thought that Titiana McGrath was a real account.

Dingbat 🙄 and can’t fact check for toffee.

Ah yes Naomi Wolf. Who didn't bother to check that "death recorded" in fact meant "death sentence commuted to imprisonment" before publishing her book. Then when a real historian corrected her mistake, doubled down on it.

And (as LordFekko says) thinks Titania McGrath is real (that was comedy gold).

Oh come on, even I was yelling ‘rubbish!’ at the radio when she started spouting nonsense ’facts’ about her book- and I just enjoy history as a hobby! I laughed my socks off when the presenter picked it all apart.

I felt a bit sorry for her then but I know better now.

yeah that would have been more measured. But nothing she said will affect her likely vote in a presidential race one whit. Nobody who believes strongly in the "traditional marriage" thing is likely to vote for Elizabeth Warren or indeed any Democrat.

I'm not so sure about that. There are a fair number of Catholics, some very left, particularly Hispanics, who might tend to vote Democrat but can be pushed the other way by one thing or another. It's one thing to know that someone disagrees with your religious vie, you can still respect them, but another when they mock it and don't really even seem to know what its about. A surprising number of Hispanic Americans voted for Trump.

Sorry but anyone who thinks Warren and Trump are cut from the same cloth - can't take your logic seriously at all.

Hispanics who are very catholic are way more likely to vote republican - more because of the abortion issue than the same sex marriage one (it is easier - abortions are hidden but being gay isn't). I think democrats should give up on those votes and instead target getting out the vote in other demographics. I wish Stacy Abrams was running the party strategy.