Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

Please explain how PP appearing on this channel is engaging in wide public discourse? Someone said that it had had around 4500 views - which will be the normal viewers plus some of PPs supporters. That's not wide public discourse is it? It's preaching to the converted, many of whom will hold other racist or misogynistic views, in line with the channel's normal content.

I talked about this directly in my post. The media is completely fragmented now. It's very difficult to pick one or two or three platforms and be widely heard, especially on trans related issues. The only way to accomplish that seems to be to try and appear in a wide variety of places including niche markets.

I also said that I don't know how effective her strategy would be, but that's hardly an indictment. It's one thing to try, it might be effective. She's said clearly what her goal is with appearing on many different kinds of shows etc.

This business about some sort of ritual impurity by appearing in interviews and talking with people with views you think are wrong is a completely different story, and has nothing to do with the possibility that her strategy might not reach as many people as she's hope.

I’ve already denounced him about six times (and I stand by that) but early’s banging on about “white supremacy” prompted me to go through his Twitter.

Dude follows and retweets Black conservatives and libertarians and (like any normal person) sided with the Black woman shot by police. Actual WS fuckers ignore that or find a way to blame the Black person (!!) - one of many reasons I hate WS.

To be clear - the guy is racist imo and hates women (much like your average white TRA). But Penis News cheered on JY in his sexual and legal abuse of brown women.

So I suspect their “white supremacy” commentary is more an attempt to discredit Posie than anything else.

It would be interesting to have a discussion about tactics and organising without it becoming about one individual.

And to be able to respect you may want the same outcomes but do care how you got there.

Anyhow, this thread has entertained Pink News (surprise, surprise)

Gender-critical feminist Posie Parker in video with white nationalist YouTuber – and a lot of Mumsnet users are fine with it www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/15/gender-critical-posie-parker-interview-jean-francois-gariepy-mumsnet/

A site advocating free speech being fine with free speech, shocking!

Is it ok to be interviewed by the misogynists and white supremacists on the BBC but not the ones on youtube?

Louis Theroux has interviewed nazis. Is he "cancelled" too?

Louis Theroux never argues with them either - just gently draws them out by being unbelievably likeable, and allows them to expose themselves.

I've never heard Louis Theroux castigated as lying with (and therefore catching fleas from) the Westboro Baptist Church, Jimmy Saville etc.

Posie's interview exposed Gariepy as a misogynist and racist to me.

But hey - it's Posie - bring her down.

The media is completely fragmented now. It's very difficult to pick one or two or three platforms and be widely heard, especially on trans related issues. The only way to accomplish that seems to be to try and appear in a wide variety of places including niche markets.
Then why would you not pick a channel that aligned with your general beliefs as well as the topic that you wanted to discuss?

Louis Theroux never argues with them either - just gently draws them out by being unbelievably likeable, and allows them to expose themselves.

Firstly, all of these people appeared on his show rather than him appearing on theirs.

Secondly, I have seen him challenge their ideas and opinions. Yes, he does it gently and cleverly but he definitely challenges them.

Thirdly, on what points did PP challenge this man then? Was it on his racism or misogynistic views?

Posie absolutely challenged his misogyny. The horrific racism was after she left: "features of jewry".

Her statement says white supremecism has no place in society - honestly - what more do you want her to say?

I've thought about this a lot, and I don't see a lot of difference between the pally chat Louis Theroux had with Jimmy Saville, and the chat Posie had with Gariepy. Who are you to say one is valid, one is not?

Re the misogyny - her last words on the interview were "I just wish I'd brought the statistics!" because she knew she was right. It wouldn't have made any difference - Gariepy would have dismissed the statisitcs in some way - that's what MRA types do.

Just like it didn't matter what Theroux said to Jimmy Saville - he never would have admitted anything. Because that was Saville''s MO - in plain sight.

I've thought about this a lot, and I don't see a lot of difference between the pally chat Louis Theroux had with Jimmy Saville, and the chat Posie had with Gariepy. Who are you to say one is valid, one is not?

Well, someone who has an opinion.

PP isn't an investigative journalist. She was mounting an expose on this man. I think she's given this man's views an air of respectability by appearing on his channel and I also think that it's given opponents ammunition to say that anyone against self ID holds extreme views like he does.

I honestly believe that anyone arguing a cause publicly has to be aware of how they are coming across and what other messages they are putting out. Maybe PP doesn't care what people will read into this appearance on this channel, which is of course her prerogative but she can't stop other people from forming an opinion based on it.

She was mounting an expose on this man.

She wasn't mounting an expose that should say.

I think she's given this man's views an air of respectability by appearing on his channel

Not to me - which I think I've made perfectly clear on this thread.

What makes an investigative journalist? A job at the bbc? They are one of the main organisations that fucking enabled the actions of Jimmy Saville.

They're one of the organisations fucking enabling the trans ideology that is erasing women's rights and the medicalisation of children.

Yeah I'm still #teamposie

From pink news

Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts said: “Mumsnet users in this discussion are near-unanimous in their dismissal of the host as a ‘white supremacist asshole’.”

Anyone know where Justine said this?!

early’s banging on about “white supremacy” prompted me to go through his Twitter
So I suspect their “white supremacy” commentary is more an attempt to discredit Posie than anything else.

I don’t know the newspaper, they might be racist as anything themselves but don’t minimise what this guy is to make yourself feel better. Rather than having a quick look at his twitter and saying ‘he retweeted a brown person’ therefore he’s ok, why don’t you have a look at what he’s actually saying? His video with him taking about why he’s a white supremest might be a good place to start.

Oh FFS. What part of HE IS A RACIST ASSHOLE WHO HATES WOMEN AND I HATE HIS VIEWS (x 7) is “minimising?” Fucking hell.

I noticed him re Tay J because most white libs IGNORE the horrifying stats around Black women. They DO speak on Black TW deaths but ONLY to promote their own interests. Black men and women are killed every single day and no one GAF.

In case anyone is unclear: dude is a racist, misogynistic asshole and fucked if I’ll give his shitty channel clicks.

Sorry mods for the shouting.

And I never EVER said “he’s ok” (wtf??) holy shit.

Welcome to Mumsnet kiwi

Now unfollowing, this thread is bad for my BP

dude is a racist, misogynistic asshole and fucked if I’ll give his shitty channel clicks.

Which is where I'm at. I want to watch his videos to see for myself exactly what he's like and also see the video he made with PP but I don't want to increase the clicks on his channel, which will only benefit him more.

Which is why I'm so against PP having made this video even more. Whatever happens he benefits directly from it. So, if PPs supporters watch that video, even if they disagree with everything that he stands for, they have helped him.

So, how can it be right for feminists to support a misogynist?

fucked if I’ll give his shitty channel clicks

If one person can figure out how to cache the video via a video sharing site thingy, they can share it here and he won't get the clicks?

No idea myself, but I know they do it over at the farms

I think she's given this man's views an air of respectability by appearing on his channel

I think you have a conflicting view of Posie which must be hurting your head

Either she’s just a private individual and not authorised to talk to people with dodgy views in the way Louis Theroux is, and therefore will give respectability to nothing

Or she has some kind of authority and status which allows her to grant respectability to others

Which is it?

Also

how can it be right for feminists to support a misogynist?

Who’s done that then? Do share